best boxing match of all time.

[LondonRingRules]

Ali didn't collpase immediately after he stepped off his stool, ive watched all 15 rounds and what followed. Ali stood up, raised his hands, then slumped... but is that relevant? did he need to walk under his own power any longer? NO. The fighter has the final say, if he doesn't want to go into that ring... he doesn't have to and Ali has never failed to answer the bell. There is no evidence of Ali quitting after round 14 merely a contemplation of him quitting in round 10, not only is there a lack of evidence there is a lack of LOGIC to your argument. Showed alot of activity the round before, winning comfortably on points and his career history and personal characteristics point to the contrary of what you are saying. It is merely another thing people such as yourself, and fraziers 15th round use to take a dig at Ali. Angelo did not control Ali, if Ali really did not want to fight he could quite easily wave the match off himself... dundee was always there with bundini to motivate him and get inside his head, but at the end of the day it was Ali's choice, it is the FIGHTERS choice.

** That's what I said, he collapsed immediately off his stool. Do try to keep up and stop disagreeing while agreeing with me.

Ali told Dundee he couldn't continue after the 14th. This is eyewitness acount. Moreover, Frazier had a man in Ali's corner who heard it and was trying to get back to Frazier's corner when Futch pulled the plug. Frazier knows this and is immensely bitter to this day over this fight that he knows and Ali knows that Frazier won their personal battle regardless of what the official cards show.

[butterfly1964]

** That's what I said, he collapsed immediately off his stool. Do try to keep up and stop disagreeing while agreeing with me.

Ali told Dundee he couldn't continue after the 14th. This is eyewitness acount. Moreover, Frazier had a man in Ali's corner who heard it and was trying to get back to Frazier's corner when Futch pulled the plug. Frazier knows this and is immensely bitter to this day over this fight that he knows and Ali knows that Frazier won their personal battle regardless of what the official cards show.

al won the third fight fair and square. all ali had to do was throw 5 or 6 punches in the 15th, cause frazier couldn't see anyway.

[leff]

al won the third fight fair and square. all ali had to do was throw 5 or 6 punches in the 15th, cause frazier couldn't see anyway.

how was he supposed to box whan he collapsed?

[Southpaw Stinger]

how was he supposed to box whan he collapsed?

Ali wouldn't have collapsed in the 15th. He collapsed because he was relieved it was all over and he didn't have to force himself up anymore.

[butterfly1964]

Ali wouldn't have collapsed in the 15th. He collapsed because he was relieved it was all over and he didn't have to force himself up anymore.

exactly.

[bigsmoothh]

jjc vs. tito trinidad both in their prime,

[Heckler]

** That's what I said, he collapsed immediately off his stool. Do try to keep up and stop disagreeing while agreeing with me.

Ali told Dundee he couldn't continue after the 14th. This is eyewitness acount. Moreover, Frazier had a man in Ali's corner who heard it and was trying to get back to Frazier's corner when Futch pulled the plug. Frazier knows this and is immensely bitter to this day over this fight that he knows and Ali knows that Frazier won their personal battle regardless of what the official cards show.

Maybe in your own little world, but if you can provide some evidence... which still wouldn't matter because it would be more Ali-hating fuelled ****, what you say defies the facts and defies logic. Ali collapsed because he no longer had to fight, it was over... its completely irrelevant. The only reputable sources state that Ali contemplated quitting in round 10. Ali contemplating quitting means nothing, hes never actually backed up his word and QUIT and this would be no exception. One round left + Ali dominating + Alis ego = your a ****en idiot and Ali wasn't going to quit. He didn't quit against Foreman, against Liston, against Frazier in FOTC when he was absolutely exhausted and got dropped... why would he quit here. Its Ali not knowing when to quit that put him in the position he is in today. You have no credibility, you still haven't justified your 'ali collapsed as soon as he stepped of his stool' - which clearly didn't happen. Frazier is bitter, he was here in New Zealand for FIGHT FOR LIFE - celebrities boxing and i had the pleasure of talking to him IN PERSON at the airport where i work. Me and a few other people asked him about the whole Ali saga and he conceeded that he was a great fighter and won the 2nd and Manila fairly and was an amazing fighter for it, but in his own words 'hey, but i scored the knockdown'.. he was bitter about the ABUSE ali inflicted during the 'hype'. Anyone else met him? nice guy, seems a bit slow these days which doesn't suprise me, he sings though - and hes good.

I dont mind people disliking or Ali, or even hating him. But you are just pathetic.

[LondonRingRules]

=========Maybe in your own little world, but if you can provide some evidence... which still wouldn't matter because it would be more Ali-hating fuelled ****, what you say defies the facts and defies logic. Ali collapsed because he no longer had to fight, it was over... its completely irrelevant.=========

** Ali collapsed because TWICE during the fight he wanted to quit. No shame in that, almost any boxer in history has had those moments.

The problem is you defiling yourself over Ali. You make him out to be more than he was. The man had some major problems in his comeback, and had some serious scares as a prospect, and only had a few years in his prime where he looked close to invincible against weak competition.

He probably has close to a couple dozen bios out on him, most of whom I have read. I've read about him wanting to quit the Frazier 3 bout, and the pounding he took and the way he looked on his stool verifies its. I recently reviewed that fight and the Foreman fight, and quite frankly, Ali was little more than a punching bag in those fights. The only amazing thing was that somehow he managed to win.

Frazier swells up easily because that's his nature, he had high blood pressure and all the symptoms of a prediabetic condition. But it was Ali that took the beating, esp to the body. I thought Frazier won the fight and he has always indicated he felt he did. I don't care what he may have said to you. He gets accosted by fans all the time and probably has a little routine he puts out to make them feel good and gives him a window for escape.

[BKM-]

Ali wouldn't have collapsed in the 15th. He collapsed because he was relieved it was all over and he didn't have to force himself up anymore.

We can only speculate. You or me weren't there that night, especially not you Butterfly . You can discuss these kind of stuff, but without saying its a fact or something because you dont know.

[smasher]

When an Ali fight came to it's conclusion Ali always wanted space to breathe and detested being mobbed. After the Foreman KO Ali can be seen telling them to get away before sitting down on the floor. After Norton II when Bundini tried to embrace Ali, Ali literally punched Bundini in the head. So Ali collapsed on his stool when the fight was over. Why wouldn't he...IT WAS ****ING OVER. HE WON! He was relieved, tired and wanted breathing room. What's he supposed to do, a backflip with a half gainer to show how much energy he had left?

Ali says Manilla was close to death. Well Frazier-Ali I was close to death...for Frazier. Joe was hospitalized for a lengthy stay due to the effects of the fight on Joe.

A friend of mine knows the Frazier's well. He told me that in confidence Joe says Ali was great and cannot believe how tough Ali was. Joe does not complain in private about Manilla. Joe's public bitterness toward Ali relates to Ali's public comments about him building up to their fights.

The record book says ALI KO 14. The scorecards read 9-5 ALI. The video shows Joe getting pounded from rounds 11-14. The video shows Joe's grotesque facial deformity. The video shows Futch stopping the fight. GET OVER IT.