best boxing match of all time.

[Southpaw Stinger]

Ali's Frazier 3 and Foreman fights were too lopsided. Ali took a beatings and then won on his stool after telling Dundee he was quitting or scored a quick knockdown with seconds left in the round that Foreman arguably beat the count on.

Ali landed the clearer sjots in manila and it was frazier who was in a bad state. Ali considered quitting but he said that in many of his fights. He never did though and always answered the bell.

And Foreman didn't beat the count. The commentator picked up the count at 3, but the ref was already further there and the ref got to 10. Whether Foreman beat the count or not it was obvious that he ws a beaten fighter both mentally and physically.

[LondonRingRules]

Ali landed the clearer sjots in manila and it was frazier who was in a bad state. Ali considered quitting but he said that in many of his fights. He never did though and always answered the bell.

And Foreman didn't beat the count. The commentator picked up the count at 3, but the ref was already further there and the ref got to 10. Whether Foreman beat the count or not it was obvious that he ws a beaten fighter both mentally and physically.

** Foreman was a beaten fighter? Foreman went 36-4 after that fight, winning another title at age 45 and fighting until he was almost 50.

Ali went 11-3 after that fight, and at age 45 started to require assistance to take care of his daily needs.

Now, tell me again who was beat up in that fight?

[Brockton Lip]

Now, tell me again who was beat up in that fight?

George Foreman.

[Southpaw Stinger]

** Foreman was a beaten fighter? Foreman went 36-4 after that fight, winning another title at age 45 and fighting until he was almost 50.

Ali went 11-3 after that fight, and at age 45 started to require assistance to take care of his daily needs.

The Foreman that came back after losing to Ali was a different fighter. He was less aggressive and had lost his all out brawl style. Thats why he lost against guys like Jimmy Young and went down in slugfests with Ron Lyle.

Foreman must have been mentally damaged because he ended up becoming a priest who selled grills....

[LondonRingRules]

The Foreman that came back after losing to Ali was a different fighter. He was less aggressive and had lost his all out brawl style. Thats why he lost against guys like Jimmy Young and went down in slugfests with Ron Lyle.

Foreman must have been mentally damaged because he ended up becoming a priest who selled grills....

** The only mental damage I see is you thinking that Foreman being arguably the richest man and the happiest in boxing is somehow deficient.

All I know is Ali was incredibly tough during his comeback, but was uglier than John Ruiz in his ropa dope style where he played a punching bag. The shriners may award him incredibly ugly points victories plus a few lucky victories in fights he wanted to quit in, but I really can't think of any fight that was actually great except for the first Frazier fight. The Norton fights were very competitive, and many think Norton won all of those bouts. Now, the final seconds of the Foreman bout could be argued as being great, especially given the minor controversy that Foreman may have been given a quick count and never could secure a rematch in spite of King holding contracts on both men.

In short, I could name dozens of bouts that were greater than Frazier 3, which ended with both men on their stools and Joe forever protesting the stoppage while Ali got up and collapsed.

[Heckler]

Ali's Frazier 3 and Foreman fights were too lopsided. Ali took a beatings and then won on his stool after telling Dundee he was quitting or scored a quick knockdown with seconds left in the round that Foreman arguably beat the count on.

Ad Wolgast and Battling Nelson engaged in a knockdown, drag out donnybrook that lasted 40 rds before Wolgast finally starched him. Go review another fine fight, Pryor/Arguello 1 which lasted 14 and then add on an extra 26 rounds of that kind of action and you get the picture.

Your a ****en joke, you have no credibility whatsoever. Ali was in relatively good shape and was dominating at this stage. He had never quit before hand so why should we believe he was going to quit with one round left, clearly ahead on points, against Frazier whom was blind and in the previous round barely landed a punch, in the previous round and was nearly knocked out.. In round 14 Ali threw alot of punches and was moving quite fluidly, he looked exhausted... but not to the extent where he couldn't come out of his corner. Ali could of sat on the ropes, or merely walked around the ring with his hands up and finished the fight... frazier was in appalling condition. Foreman didn't beat the count, and if he did he would of been knocked out in the next round. Everything you say is fuelled by your Ali-hating agenda.

[Heckler]

** The only mental damage I see is you thinking that Foreman being arguably the richest man and the happiest in boxing is somehow deficient.

All I know is Ali was incredibly tough during his comeback, but was uglier than John Ruiz in his ropa dope style where he played a punching bag. The shriners may award him incredibly ugly points victories plus a few lucky victories in fights he wanted to quit in, but I really can't think of any fight that was actually great except for the first Frazier fight. The Norton fights were very competitive, and many think Norton won all of those bouts. Now, the final seconds of the Foreman bout could be argued as being great, especially given the minor controversy that Foreman may have been given a quick count and never could secure a rematch in spite of King holding contracts on both men.

In short, I could name dozens of bouts that were greater than Frazier 3, which ended with both men on their stools and Joe forever protesting the stoppage while Ali got up and collapsed.

Got up and collapsed? he got up, raised his hands and walked around. He may have been assisted out of the ring but the fight was over and there was no need for him to use any more energy. Your posts are getting more and more ridiculous.

[Heckler]

Secure a contract when? in 76? when Ali was a totally shot fighter, and Foreman was a mental wreck?

[Frazier's 15th round]

Your a ****en joke, you have no credibility whatsoever. Ali was in relatively good shape and was dominating at this stage. He had never quit before hand so why should we believe he was going to quit with one round left, clearly ahead on points, against Frazier whom was blind and in the previous round barely landed a punch, in the previous round and was nearly knocked out.. In round 14 Ali threw alot of punches and was moving quite fluidly, he looked exhausted... but not to the extent where he couldn't come out of his corner. Ali could of sat on the ropes, or merely walked around the ring with his hands up and finished the fight... frazier was in appalling condition. Foreman didn't beat the count, and if he did he would of been knocked out in the next round. Everything you say is fuelled by your Ali-hating agenda.

There have been many sources that said Ali did want to quit. I even heard that there was someone in Ali's corner who was trying to make it over to Frazier's to inform Futch that Ali was quitting. But Futch called it off before he could get there. Ali was in horrible condition, and you can just see it in his eyes watching the fight.

Got up and collapsed? he got up, raised his hands and walked around.

No, he raised his arms as he stood up, and as soon as he was on his feet he turned back around to try and sit down. The camera cuts over to Frazier, and then back as you hear a loud thump, and can see Ali's feet as he's laying on the ground in the ring. His trainer's yank him up onto a stool.

[RAESAAD]

Gatti/Ward I
Corrales/Castillo I
Hell for that matter Cotto/Torres was very exciting last year.


Hagler/Hearns
Ali/Frazier I was better than III IMO.