best boxing match of all time.

[Heckler]

There have been many sources that said Ali did want to quit. I even heard that there was someone in Ali's corner who was trying to make it over to Frazier's to inform Futch that Ali was quitting. But Futch called it off before he could get there. Ali was in horrible condition, and you can just see it in his eyes watching the fight.



No, he raised his arms as he stood up, and as soon as he was on his feet he turned back around to try and sit down. The camera cuts over to Frazier, and then back as you hear a loud thump, and can see Ali's feet as he's laying on the ground in the ring. His trainer's yank him up onto a stool.

What a load of tinfoil hat wearing bull****. Ali contemplated quitting in the 10th round, keyword CONTEMPLATED. Ali throughout his career contemplated quitting but never did... So why should we believe, of all times he could of quit... that he would in this situation when he had performed so well, and shown good energy in the previous round, was ahead of points, and had nearly knocked Frazier out in the previous round. Oh so someone was going to tell Futch about Ali quitting but futch conveniently stopped it first ''i even heard someone...' People hear alot of ****, thats meaningless. What Ali does when the fight finishes is irrelevant, he knows he no longer has to fight, no longer has to utlise his willpower and determination and slumps in the corner... big deal. I disagree with the suggestion that Ali was incapable, or would of refused to go with Frazier another 3 minutes when Frazier couldn't see let alone make contact with his punches... Ali was very active in round 14, and i dont believe that someone so active in the previous round immediately becomes incapable of fighting. Ali's career history suggests that i am right. In my eyes your posts have no credibility ever since you used Ali being beaten by holmes in a debate, but for once put your Ali hating **** aside and look at the facts.

[LondonRingRules]

Got up and collapsed? he got up, raised his hands and walked around. He may have been assisted out of the ring but the fight was over and there was no need for him to use any more energy. Your posts are getting more and more ridiculous.

** Obviously you never watched the fight. That Ali took one step off his stool and collapsed is incontestable. He toughed it out for 14, but it was Ali who wanted to quit, not Joe. Big difference in the trainers in this bout. Dundee wouldn't acknowledge Ali, and Futch pulled the plug on Frazier. The trainers decided the bouts, but the fighters had already decided the bout, it just wasn't official.

[LondonRingRules]

Secure a contract when? in 76? when Ali was a totally shot fighter, and Foreman was a mental wreck?

** This is a boxing forum. The butterfly forum is down the way. Go.

In 76 Ali was shot, but he was also the undisputed heavyweight champ securing gifts from judges and refs until they could no longer ignore his condition when a LH amateur whooped him around the ring in 78. Foreman was 5-0, 5 KO in his post Ali comeback in 76, destroying 2 fighters who handed out major beatings to Ali in title fights, Wepner/Frazier.

Now, I hear they talk about really pretty butterflys down the way, so GIT!

[Heckler]

** Obviously you never watched the fight. That Ali took one step off his stool and collapsed is incontestable. He toughed it out for 14, but it was Ali who wanted to quit, not Joe. Big difference in the trainers in this bout. Dundee wouldn't acknowledge Ali, and Futch pulled the plug on Frazier. The trainers decided the bouts, but the fighters had already decided the bout, it just wasn't official.

Ali didn't collpase immediately after he stepped off his stool, ive watched all 15 rounds and what followed. Ali stood up, raised his hands, then slumped... but is that relevant? did he need to walk under his own power any longer? NO. The fighter has the final say, if he doesn't want to go into that ring... he doesn't have to and Ali has never failed to answer the bell. There is no evidence of Ali quitting after round 14 merely a contemplation of him quitting in round 10, not only is there a lack of evidence there is a lack of LOGIC to your argument. Showed alot of activity the round before, winning comfortably on points and his career history and personal characteristics point to the contrary of what you are saying. It is merely another thing people such as yourself, and fraziers 15th round use to take a dig at Ali. Angelo did not control Ali, if Ali really did not want to fight he could quite easily wave the match off himself... dundee was always there with bundini to motivate him and get inside his head, but at the end of the day it was Ali's choice, it is the FIGHTERS choice.

[Heckler]

Just watched the end rounds again, Ali gets up off his stool, raises his hands, then turns around towards the crowd... then trainers and personel embrace him... he collapsed immediately after stepping off his stool? your a joke. You would have some credibility if Ali was throwing no punches in round 14... but Ali was quite active, looked solid, and was throwing alot of punches.. at the end of the round he walks casually to his corner and slumps, looking exhausted like frazier but by no means to the extent where he cannot fight another 3 minute round. So maybe its you that needs to watch the WHOLE fight. And as for the hearing a noise after the fight fraziers15thround, sorry i haven't heard that yet... again more speculation.

[Heckler]

** This is a boxing forum. The butterfly forum is down the way. Go.

In 76 Ali was shot, but he was also the undisputed heavyweight champ securing gifts from judges and refs until they could no longer ignore his condition when a LH amateur whooped him around the ring in 78. Foreman was 5-0, 5 KO in his post Ali comeback in 76, destroying 2 fighters who handed out major beatings to Ali in title fights, Wepner/Frazier.

Now, I hear they talk about really pretty butterflys down the way, so GIT!

Wepner gave Ali a beating... WHAT A ****EN JOKE... in wepners own words, from Ali: through the eyes of the world.. 'i hit him with a poor shot and Ali was offbalance, He got up, and he looked pissed' Then Foreman went on to nearly get Ko'd by an average fighter by the name of Ron Lyle and got beatin by young. That version of Foreman was a mere shadow of his previous self.

[xzworks]

arce vs. hussein 1 ....

[Frazier's 15th round]

In my eyes your posts have no credibility ever since you used Ali being beaten by holmes in a debate, but for once put your Ali hating **** aside and look at the facts.

Holmes whooped Ali. That's a fact. I don't hate Ali as a boxer. I hate the way he acted and the way he treated fighters, but I give him credit as a great champion. But Holmes would have beat him head-to-head, this is well known.

[Southpaw Stinger]

Holmes wouldn't have a chance against a prime Ali. It is only somthing discussed by Ali haters.

Ali's attitude was the best thing about him and secretly Ali and Frazier were friends. A lot of their bantering was an act for the media.

Ali was old, slow, overweight, had parkinsons, and was taking Thyroid pills which sapped his strength when he fought Holmes. Yet he still lasted 11 rounds and never gave in, Holmes didn't last very long with a prime Tyson and that version of Holmes was in better condition than Ali was.

Holmes didn't fight anyone in the league of Ali's opponents.

Ali, Frazier and Foreman are my 3 favourite boxers and I like them all and don't try to bring them down. You should stop your biased oppinons.

[Too Short]

the best match i've ever seen live was Morales/Berrera 1 followed by the first Gatti/Ward the first Gatti/Robinson, Corrales/Castillo and Berrera/McKenney.

all-time the Thrila in Manilla is good every time you watch it