The Gracies vs The Nurmagomedov/Makhachev family

[Dakuwaqa]

I just hated watching Royce Gracie back in the days. He just lays there and does nothing. Fkin bad for TV.

That's why UFC should allow soccer kicks like in Pride. If soccer kicks were allowed, these Jujitsu pansies wouldnt be effective.

Nurmagomedov KO1 Gracie poosies

Koreans can’t fight for toffee

Pipe down

[FinitoxDinamita]

Koreans can’t fight for toffee

Pipe down

Koreans can't fight? Ground game isnt popular amongs us. We prefer stand up fighting like men.

[Dakuwaqa]

Koreans can't fight? Ground game isnt popular amongs us. We prefer stand up fighting like men.

Great video!

Respect

You’re super cool

Much love

[Left Hook Tua]

I just hated watching Royce Gracie back in the days. He just lays there and does nothing. Fkin bad for TV.

That's why UFC should allow soccer kicks like in Pride. If soccer kicks were allowed, these Jujitsu pansies wouldnt be effective.

Nurmagomedov KO1 Gracie poosies

You obviously never watched the early ufc and royce gracie.

1. royce was the aggressor in the beginning

It wasnt til later on when wrestlers were so scared of submissions that they just lay on top of bjj guys

2. Early ufc had no rules

You can soccer kick downed opponents from the beginning


Go watch ufc 1 and 2

Youll know how your made up story is wrong

[billeau2]

Rorion was trash

Just the better businessman and scumbag

Nowhere near rickson, relson, royler or even royce level

Oddly enough though rorions sons are pretty good

Theyre not fighters but very good technicians



Tae kwon do is a martial art?

Thats under rhythmic gymnastics I thought

If you train traditional Okinawan/ Japanese Karate TKD is a good primer for kicking. They teach one to open the hips more... Even if the synchronized Swim team beat them up in a milk and tapioca tea bar... It wasn't a fair fight because the Curling team got involved.

Rorian Looked like trash, but looks can be deceiving. he was probably one of the least gifted from a technical perspective, but he did fight tough guys... if you observe the multitude of Gracie guys fight, they tend to latch on with a "go to" technique... Rorian was very much like this.

As far as levels go... Yes on a technical level Rorion could not hang. But one component of Gracie training that gets shelved a lot these days, is the same principle applied in the post war Kodokan Judo... basically it is just going hammer and tongs on the mat. That was why Japanese Judo was such a mess... the Kodokan training was simply guys fighting on the mat. My son goes to a Gracie class and its 90% the guys fighting on the mat lol, but that is a part of Gracie stuff and it has made them able. Of course when I show him real Ju Jutsu, how to properly choke, etc he looks at me all wide eyed like, "why do they not do that?"

[Left Hook Tua]

Bruh stop it. When ufc came around, who was doing bjj and was dominanting besides the Gracie? When ufc came, bjj was new to a lot of the martial artist.

Mel gibson

He used a triangle choke on mr. Joshua back in 1986

This was like 7 years before UFC 1

[billeau2]

You obviously never watched the early ufc and royce gracie.

1. royce was the aggressor in the beginning

It wasnt til later on when wrestlers were so scared of submissions that they just lay on top of bjj guys

2. Early ufc had no rules

You can soccer kick downed opponents from the beginning


Go watch ufc 1 and 2

Youll know how your made up story is wrong

Royce had every advantage and could do what he wanted. He was for all practical purposes, a professional fighter, fighting guys who trained a few days a week. All he did was what sports combatives teach when setting up technique: "Position first" then apply technique. In so doing he had guys, unsure of what they could do, walk right into his set ups.

Keep one thing in mind as well my brotha from anudda mudda: The Gracies, over in Brazil fought against all kinds of wrestlers... Wrestlers in the USA had no inkling yet, that their skills could make them succesful fighters in the ring. Early tape often shows the Gracies going over and "Rolling" with wrestlers.

[Anthony342]

royce gracie came up and WON (multiple times) in mma/ufc when it was an openweight and single elimination tournament.

id like to see if khabib could have won ufc 1,2,4 under those same conditions as royce did.

im not sure he would have.

Yeah mostly against guys not as skilled with no takedown defense. Once the skills caught up and fighters were on to BJJ, Royce left and over time, they started adding weight classes. And Khabib could've won under those same conditions. He trained in sambo. A guy named Oleg Taktarov who trained in sambo won UFC 6, who don't act like it's impossible. Now you wanna put someone like Khabib, with fewer restrictions, who doesn't have to worry about making weight, into a fight. He does just fine. And like I said, I'm a fan of the Gracies.

[Left Hook Tua]

If you train traditional Okinawan/ Japanese Karate TKD is a good primer for kicking. They teach one to open the hips more... Even if the synchronized Swim team beat them up in a milk and tapioca tea bar... It wasn't a fair fight because the Curling team got involved.

Rorian Looked like trash, but looks can be deceiving. he was probably one of the least gifted from a technical perspective, but he did fight tough guys... if you observe the multitude of Gracie guys fight, they tend to latch on with a "go to" technique... Rorian was very much like this.

As far as levels go... Yes on a technical level Rorion could not hang. But one component of Gracie training that gets shelved a lot these days, is the same principle applied in the post war Kodokan Judo... basically it is just going hammer and tongs on the mat. That was why Japanese Judo was such a mess... the Kodokan training was simply guys fighting on the mat. My son goes to a Gracie class and its 90% the guys fighting on the mat lol, but that is a part of Gracie stuff and it has made them able. Of course when I show him real Ju Jutsu, how to properly choke, etc he looks at me all wide eyed like, "why do they not do that?"

Rorion was the oldest son and helio's favorite

But from what I read and heard, he ******

Carlos gracies kids and other cousins would tap rorion left and right, to the disappointment of helio

He was no Carlson gracie or rolls gracie or rickson gracie

Obvious even though he ****** he knows a lot of technique and he passed it on to his sons

His sons are very good, the boys from the og gracie academy in torrance is all rorions sons


From what I read/heard about helios kids

Rickson = the best of helios son
Rolls = adopted son/nephew best before rickson
Relson = not the best but the one you DON'T want to fight on the street
Royler = smallest and weakest but most technical

Rorion was just the scummy business guy. A lot of the BS and crap came from rorions big mouth. All the gracie fairy tales and legal issues, most were rorion talking and suing.

Royce wasn't that good but he had heart and at the time rorion can control him so he got to fight in the ufc.

The family champ was rickson at the time but rorion can't control rickson.

[billeau2]

Bruh stop it. When ufc came around, who was doing bjj and was dominanting besides the Gracie? When ufc came, bjj was new to a lot of the martial artist.

Actually it depends... In Brazil there was a long standing tradition of combatives of which the Gracies were just one group... In this tradition you had everything from "Catch Can" wrestling, other wrestling styles, Judo, Lutte Livre ( A Brazilian rough and tumble joint locking art), Karate, Kick Boxing, etc. In brazil there were rivalries and the Gracies were not really "dominant."

In this country it is true that nobody heard of Brazilian Grappling (Judo or Jiu Jitsu). The Gracies came out, primarily in Southern California to start teaching.

Interesting story: When the UFC started, there was/is a group called the "Dog Brothers" that play with stick weapons full contact. I actually had a friend and got to train with a guy affiliated with them in New Mexico. The Dog Brothers wrote the UFC and asked if there could be a division for their stick fighting... the UFC basically said: "Are you crazy!!?"