Boxing requires very little sporting talent

[TMLT87]

you are not getting it... yes, i never said they are great pro boxers, but in order to reach pro level and consider a pro, they have to have skills and go thru the process... you cant just say i wanna be a pro boxer today and then be accepted in as a pro boxer, it doesnt work like that. so for them to be a pro boxers, it means they proved themselves worthy. i never said all pro boxers are elite fighters... but to think that if a normal guy trains consistently for 2-3 years, he can be competitive against pro level boxers is just crazy. you cant really do that in other sports...

It isnt 2-3 years in Jakes case though, its 7-8. Hes also not a "normal guy", hes a world famous millionaire with full access to top of the line coaching, training resources and PEDs and also gets to cherry pick and stack the deck in his favour because of who he is.

Not to mention hes fighting at like 200lbs, except the guys hes fighting arent anything like actual cruiserweights in terms of their frame, strength and power and nor is he. He is basically a LHW or Super Middle if he was a serious boxer, because he would be seriously physically outgunned against proper cruisers.

[IceTrayDaGang]

It isnt 2-3 years in Jakes case though, its 7-8. Hes also not a "normal guy", hes a world famous millionaire with full access to top of the line coaching, training resources and PEDs and also gets to cherry pick and stack the deck in his favour because of who he is.

Not to mention hes fighting at like 200lbs, except the guys hes fighting arent anything like actual cruiserweights in terms of their frame, strength and power and nor is he. He is basically a LHW or Super Middle if he was a serious boxer, because he would be seriously physically outgunned against proper cruisers.

"normal guy" as in someone who never box before, just a regular guy!! Pro boxers, are also millionaires, you are making excuses... and I am not talking about his current fight with Chavez Jr... Jake started training 2-3 years in boxing and had his first fight ever in the boxing ring.

[Willow The Wisp]

"Pro level" is a very broad range. JCC jr was a beneficiary of nepotism himself, and was never all that good, and hes now 39 years old, far removed from his prime and fighting way outside of his natural weight class.

It isnt unfeasible at all that an athletic 28 year old with unlimited access to resources could be competitive with the equivalent of a JCC Jr in other sports. Lets not forget Jake is like 7-8 years into training boxing at this point too.

And.....you have to have a natural aptitude or you're out of luck.
Jake has got some of that, let's face it.
But we can't discount the massive advantages he's benefited from either.

At this point, Jake is not quite Tommy Fury level in terms of abilities.

The success he's enjoyed is testimony to the extrme power of great marketing (similar to the whole of the UFC).

[TMLT87]

Jake started training 2-3 years in boxing and had his first fight ever in the boxing ring.

Against Youtubers, NBA players and MMA fighters. He had been having boxing matches for almost 5 years by the time he fought an actual career boxer. Even now 14 fights in and 7 years since his first fight hes fought a grand total of 4 actual boxers for a record of 3-1. Strip away all the spectacle and he is a complete nobody, boxing ability wise.

[IceTrayDaGang]

Against Youtubers, NBA players and MMA fighters. He had been having boxing matches for almost 5 years by the time he fought an actual career boxer. Even now 14 fights in and 7 years since his first fight hes fought a grand total of 4 actual boxers for a record of 3-1. Strip away all the spectacle and he is a complete nobody, boxing ability wise.

ok, so 5 years. is that good for you? still actual boxers have been training and competing since they were little kids. then a guy like Jake who started training in his 20s!!!! pro boxers have been training since they were kids compared to a guy who started in his 20s!!!!!

[Willow The Wisp]

There are hundreds of so called "pros" out there that have more losses than wins and only exist to pad other peoples records. The term by itself doesnt mean much unfortunately.

You cant really compare boxing to basketball because sports that involve high levels of violence/physicality (combat sports, rugby, American football etc) allow people to brute force their way through a lot of stuff, so raw physical attributes can take you further. You're not throwing a ball into a hoop, you're punching someone in the face.

I agree.

Interestly, here in the United States, the National Football League may soon have to relay on a draft that features players who have, yes, indeed; never played the game for greater than 4 years, and American colleges and universities will be in the business of giving their recruted players their first taste of the game. Until the public safety ban catches up to even them.
This is because Mothers Against Football, and other such groups are gaining traction by the day, as the statistical evidence that supports their concerns mount.
"Mothers, your babies are being systemically funneled toward football, where their heads are being bashed over and over and over. If they’re really lucky, and they reach the dream of the NFL, then there’s a fair chance that by 50, they can end up mangled, limping, confused... Or dead", is their message; and once the legal profession joins their cause by winning lawsuits, then, big money payouts for damaged little men will become the order of the day, and for High School Football, it will be game over.

If this should ever come to pass, and If the level of play in the NFL is DISCERNABLY impacted as a result, then we'll have to then wonder if the OP has a point to extrapolate.

[Toffee]

he's still a a pro boxer tho... do you think if a guy in his 20s, starts practicing playing basketball (which he has never played before) for 2-3 years, do you think he'll be able to beat retired NBA players who are in their 40s??? hell no!!

In that scenario we would be taking about an NBA player who was pretty middle of the road ability wise to start with and only had a short stay at the top level. And hadn't been in the top league for about 8 years, turning up in the odd lower league or exhibition with limited training and a poor lifestyle.

Yes, I think a fit, sporty guy with 7 years of dedicated and expensively assembled training could be a better player by that point in their respective careers. I don't think it's that impressive at all.

The guys he fights are physically shot. They are tactically selected. He doesn't go for good fighters who looked after themselves.

The best boxer he faced was pretty much a celebrity boxer himself, and he lost to him.

If Paul genuinely campaigned at a weight, presumably Cruiserweight, then he'd be out of the sport by now.

[IceTrayDaGang]

In that scenario we would be taking about an NBA player who was pretty middle of the road ability wise to start with and only had a short stay at the top level. And hadn't been in the top league for about 8 years, turning up in the odd lower league or exhibition with limited training and a poor lifestyle.

Yes, I think a fit, sporty guy with 7 years of dedicated and expensively assembled training could be a better player by that point in their respective careers. I don't think it's that impressive at all.

The guys he fights are physically shot. They are tactically selected. He doesn't go for good fighters who looked after themselves.

The best boxer he faced was pretty much a celebrity boxer himself, and he lost to him.

If Paul genuinely campaigned at a weight, presumably Cruiserweight, then he'd be out of the sport by now.

yes, their not the best version of themselves, but they still have the experience... chavez jr. aint just some chump.. he's fought against canelo, sergio martinez, daniel jacobs, etc.. he;s seen pretty much all the styles there is in boxing and then he does that against jake paul??? that's just embarrassing for boxing. what, he threw a total of like 13 punches??? against jake paul??

[Toffee]

yes, their not the best version of themselves, but they still have the experience... chavez jr. aint just some chump.. he's fought against canelo, sergio martinez, daniel jacobs, etc.. he;s seen pretty much all the styles there is in boxing and then he does that against jake paul??? that's just embarrassing for boxing. what, he threw a total of like 13 punches??? against jake paul??

He's a physical wreck. It would be like saying Usain Bolt should beat inexperienced sprinters even when his body is ruined.

[ELPacman]

Jake Paul proves boxing is one of the least talented sports
I don't care where Chavez is right now, there's no other sport where a youtuber could start in their 20s and beat former champions in that sport.

Look at the likes of Wilder or AJ. Never laced up a pair of gloves until they were adults and become world champions. You just can't do that in other sports, no chance.

It's simply down to needing less talent to succeed in boxing.

I don't wanna hear boxers are great sportsmen again. Brave? Absolutely. But it's a sport that people can start very late and still beat champions because the standard of sporting ability is so low.

Put it into perspective...do you think you could never dribble a basketball until the age of 21 and then within a few years be able to compete in a game with even the most mediocre retired NBA player? there's no way.

Paul, a guy who never boxed until his 20s just did as well against Chavez as prime Canelo did against a badly weight drained stoner Chavez lollll. Boxing is a joke.

I don't think it's that simple. First, it depends who your opponents are. Jake has been super wise in his selection. Facing other guys that are not primarily boxers and way over the hill. Chavez Jr. was perfect because he mostly ****** always and was almost 40 years old now. People knew what was going to happen before it did. This doesn't mean Jake could have done the same however to a younger Chavez Jr. Although he still mostly ******, he had more confidence to **** and energy.

Then you jumped to heavyweight boxing. A LOT of heavyweight boxers are actually not talented. They get by with great stamina and obviously power. If you can land your punch in heavyweight boxing, you have a chance to beat anyone. Of course if a heavy has a lot of talent such as Fury or Usyk, it won't be that simple and that is why Usyk still remains undefeated and Fury was on a hot run.

Then with your basketball thing, I would surely attempt to play basketball at a higher age than I would boxing. The dangers are night and day. So yeah, that basketball player might not be competing successfully in a game with a retired NBA player, but at least he gets to go home at night. A boxer who gets into the sport late, if they don't have the raw ability or power like an AJ or Wilder and just jump into a heavyweight fight with even an older aged heavyweight champ, let's say late 30s he's probably getting KTFO.

Don't let Jake Paul's circus shows confuse you. That's all they ever been and a lot of smoke and mirrors.