Who actually beats Johnson at his absolute prime?

[Bronson66]

[QUOTE=GhostofDempsey;n32494331]

Knocking Johnson through the ropes is a knockdown. Even if the ropes hold you up on the way down it’s a knockdown. You are splitting hairs trying to win an argument you can’t win. Smith knocked Johnson down with one big punch.

Again, you listed a long list of never-was opponents and their weights, try listing their records now, lol. I provided records of his opponents he gave title shots too and it was ugly.

I have posted sources from Pollack, Moyle, Ayc@ck, Fried, Kevin Smith, Heller, Sugar, and several other boxing historians whose books I own and read, both you and your little sister dismissed and ignored them.

Why was your Ivich account banned? third time I’m asking. Why was your McVey account banned for several weeks/months on another forum?

You stated," Smith dropped Johnson heavily to the canvas." He didn't

You implied Johnson stopped sparring for the day.He didn't.

I asked you if you have ever seen a round by round report of any of the three Johnson v McVey fights.No answer.

I asked you to post a primary source that states Johnson was lucky not to lose to Battling Jim.No answer.

Many fighters have gone the distance despite being totally outclassed,and that is precisely what happened in the three fights between McVey and Johnson.

How others fared against Johnson is absolutely irrelevant to the fact that McVey was never in those fights , and anyone with any class would have the balls to admit it!
Moran
Jeannette
Klon***e
Griffin
McVey
Everett
Martin
Ferguson
Kaufman
Were not "never was opponents"


What has my being banned here,or anywhere else have to do with the subject we are debating?
How does it reflect on the veracity of my verified reports on that subject?

Haters Got To Hate!

[QueensburyRules]

- -JJ gets beat by most heavy champs. Imagine prime Patterson in 6oz gloves, a massacre!!!

[them_apples]

[QUOTE=GhostofDempsey;n32493850]

You answered my simple straight forward questions with 20 questions that I’ve already answered.

McVey was MORE a competitive than the no-hopers you try to pass off as worthy opponents, lol. He lasted longer than Kaufman, Ross, Burns, Fitz, Jeffries, Battling Jim, and others. You’re talking out of both sides of your lying mouth.

Keeping dodging my questions and lying, it’s all you’re good at.

It sounds like Mcvey was never really in the fight - but his durability and strength made him hard for Johnson to get rid of. Thats my take - dragging the fight on longer.

[Willow The Wisp]

As a skilled boxer, no. He was tough, had stamina, strong, and resilient. Gatti, Shavers, Lyle, Provodnikov, Briscoe, Rios, Morrison, Berto also shared those traits, they were not great fighters either.

OK. Just taking stock.

[Bronson66]

[QUOTE=them_apples;n32494553]

It sounds like Mcvey was never really in the fight - but his durability and strength made him hard for Johnson to get rid of. Thats my take - dragging the fight on longer.

McVey got heaps of praise for his courage in these fights,and he deserved every bit of it!

[GhostofDempsey]

[QUOTE=Bronson66;n32494626]

McVey got heaps of praise for his courage in these fights,and he deserved every bit of it!

He got booed often for his constant clinching and wrestling. He was more of a counter-puncher who waited on opponents to come to him, then tied them up. Relied heavily on his left job to move away from faster opponents.

[GhostofDempsey]

[QUOTE=Bronson66;n32494478]

You stated," Smith dropped Johnson heavily to the canvas." He didn't

You implied Johnson stopped sparring for the day.He didn't.

I asked you if you have ever seen a round by round report of any of the three Johnson v McVey fights.No answer.

I asked you to post a primary source that states Johnson was lucky not to lose to Battling Jim.No answer.

Many fighters have gone the distance despite being totally outclassed,and that is precisely what happened in the three fights between McVey and Johnson.

How others fared against Johnson is absolutely irrelevant to the fact that McVey was never in those fights , and anyone with any class would have the balls to admit it!
Moran
Jeannette
Klon***e
Griffin
McVey
Everett
Martin
Ferguson
Kaufman
Were not "never was opponents"


What has my being banned here,or anywhere else have to do with the subject we are debating?
How does it reflect on the veracity of my verified reports on that subject?

Haters Got To Hate!

It was reported he was dropped heavily to the canvas, you’re splitting hairs because you know Smih dropped him. You also left out the full quote form Smith, the oher part of his quote was “I knocked him through the ropes AND DAMN NEAR OUT OF THE SEAL ROCK HOUSE. Johnson never did get over that. When he come back to NY he says, “they got a fellow out there, my god, he’ll knock a brick wall down!” - meaning me”. Next time show some integrity and post the entire quote.

I don’t need a round by round report of the fight, McVey outlasted all the opponents who you held in high regard as competitive opponents for Johnson.

• A cabled article printed in the Evening World (New York City) stated:

Jack Johnson barely missed losing his heavyweight championship in a ten round bout here last night. Jeffries' conqueror met Battling Jim Johnson, a big negro from Memphis Tenn. and barely lasted through the final round. He was tottering and groggy at the finish. A few rounds more and he might have been knocked out. . . . In the last minute of the fight the Memphis negro rushed Johnson to the ropes and in a mixup both went to the floor, with Jack's arm around Jim's waist. Both were on their feet quickly but Jack looked exhausted just as the final bell rang. It is possible that Jack hurt his arm in the fall to the floor. . . . In the seventh round the Memphis man succeeded in breaking down Jack's guard and three times after landing on the body grazed Jack's jaw with terrific uppercuts.

Jack Johnson barely survived his scrap with Battling Jim and there are numerous contradictions regarding which round his arm may have been injured. He was exhausted and all but out on his feet at the end of round ten.

He never defended his title against Jeannette or McVey, they don’t belong on your list. You still haven’t posted the records of all those worthy contenders for his title, lol. Keep dodging.

You being banned on multiple accounts across multiple sites speaks to a pattern of behavior. You lash out and insult posters then try to play victim when they give it back to you. You are constantly in beefs and come off as a boorish know-it-all who never admits when you are wrong.

[Mr Mitts]

I am disgusted when a discussion devolves into calling each other haters and liars. A few key players is all it takes goading the discussion. Everyone is called a liar now even for a wrong opinion. On the other hand it is hilarious to see grown geezers waving their canes in threat over a dead boxer's intentions.

[Bronson66]

I am disgusted when a discussion devolves into calling each other haters and liars. A few key players is all it takes goading the discussion. Everyone is called a liar now even for a wrong opinion. On the other hand it is hilarious to see grown geezers waving their canes in threat over a dead boxer's intentions.

Perhaps your sensibilities are too easily offended by a rough and tumble sport such as boxing ,and the rough and tumble wordplay such a sport elicits?

I see it this way,If I don't like a tune being played on the radio, I have the option to turn it off.

If I'm not happy with a program on my TV, I can switch channels till I find one more agreeable to me.

There are currently 20 threads on page one of this forum to choose from.

Why not try another more suited to you taste?
Or concentrate your efforts on The Dome?

ps The above is called banter.

[Bronson66]

As a skilled boxer, no. He was tough, had stamina, strong, and resilient. Gatti, Shavers, Lyle, Provodnikov, Briscoe, Rios, Morrison, Berto also shared those traits, they were not great fighters either.

McVey beat
Russell
Jim Johnson x6
Ferguson
Pelkey
Jeannette and drew with him x2
Bell x2
Lang
Kubiak
Martin x3
Wills x2
Langford x2 and drew with him x6
If McVey wasn't great,what does that say about those he beat, and those he held even?

McVea was a member of the great black foursome of the teens along with Jack Johnson, Sam Langford and Joe Jeannette; He was inducted into the Ring Boxing Hall of Fame in 1986 and the International Boxing Hall of Fame in 1999

You can't admit McVey was a great fighter because Johnson thoroughly whipped him 3 times!
How sad is that?
Jeannette ,Langford,and Johnson all called him a great fighter,but what would they know compared to you?