The great HW men who wouldn't quit.

[Willie Pep 229]

Each of these men were told (or knew themseleves) that it was over; that their title (or atleast the fight itself) was lost, but still refused to stay on their stools.

John L. Sullivan (vs. Corbett)
Jack Johnson (vs. Willard)
Gene Tunney (vs. Greb 1)
Jack Dempsey (vs.Tunney 1)
Primo Carnera (vs. Baer)
James J. Braddock (vs. Louis)
Joe Louis (vs. Rocky Marciano)

To those who say the men of the past were not toughter than the men today. Show me who these men are.

Tyson?
Liston?
V. Klitschko?

Once these men knew defeat was inevitable they found a way to quit.

I am willing to learn.

P.S. Please don't waste my time telling me Klitschko was leading on the cards. A fighter knows when he is about to be beaten, that's when the injuries always seem to suddenly appear.

P.S.S. I did not include Ali (vs. Berbick) or Frazier (vs. Ali 3). Because both those men were physically restrained from fighting by their seconds. I have no doubt both would have continued.

[travestyny]

Shannon Briggs (vs. Lennox Lewis). If I'm not mistaken, Briggs was considered Lineal champ at the time. He showed lots of heart in that fight. I'm just not sure your conditions (did he have to have a major title at the time? Must he be considered "great.")

[Bundana]

Despite being floored several times and taking heavy punishment, Wilder didn't look for an easy way out in his last fight against Fury.

For years Chisora has given 110 % in fights he had no hope of winning.

Even though on the receiving end of a long, brutal beating, Briggs refused to quit against Vitali.


There are tough, courageous fighters today - just like in the old days!

[Bronson66]

each of these men were told (or knew themseleves) that it was over; that their title (or atleast the fight itself) was lost, but still refused to stay on their stools.

John l. Sullivan (vs. Corbett)
jack johnson (vs. Willard)
gene tunney (vs. Greb 1)
jack dempsey (vs.tunney 1)
primo carnera (vs. Baer)
james j. Braddock (vs. Louis)
joe louis (vs. Rocky marciano)

to those who say the men of the past were not toughter than the men today. Show me who these men are.

Tyson?
Liston?
V. Klitschko?

Once these men knew defeat was inevitable they found a way to quit.

I am willing to learn.

P.s. Please don't waste my time telling me klitschko was leading on the cards. A fighter knows when he is about to be beaten, that's when the injuries always seem to suddenly appear.

P.s.s. I did not include ali (vs. Berbick) or frazier (vs. Ali 3). Because both those men were physically restrained from fighting by their seconds. I have no doubt both would have continued.

inthe last round carnera turned to the referee and told him he was through.he did the same against louis.

I dont for one moment blame him ,he took horrendous punishment far above the call of duty in both fights .

Willard told his corner he could not go on after the third round does anyone blame him?

Did you mean ali v holmes?

When herbert muhammad told dundee to stop the fight ali said "thank you "to angelo

[Willie Pep 229]

inthe last round carnera turned to the referee and told him he was through.he did the same against louis.

I dont for one moment blame him ,he took horrendous punishment far above the call of duty in both fights .

Willard told his corner he could not go on after the third round does anyone blame him?

Did you mean ali v holmes?

When herbert muhammad told dundee to stop the fight ali said "thank you "to angelo

Yes the Holmes fight. Sorry, thanks for the correction.

Willard gets a pass on this subject, in my opinion. That event is outside the box of normality.

Ali thanking Angelo more confirms my belief than belies it. Had Dundee not stopped the fight, Ali would have continued.

I did not know Carnera quit. That certainly weakens my premise.

[Bronson66]

Yes the Holmes fight. Sorry, thanks for the correction.

Willard gets a pass on this subject, in my opinion. That event is outside the box of normality.

Ali thanking Angelo more confirms my belief than belies it. Had Dundee not stopped the fight, Ali would have continued.

I did not know Carnera quit. That certainly weakens my premise.

I don't think it weakens your case, Carnera took two God Awful beatings in those fights,he continued twice when he knew his cause was hopeless,continued until he could fight no more.Brave man!

[QueensburyRules]

Each of these men were told (or knew themseleves) that it was over; that their title (or atleast the fight itself) was lost, but still refused to stay on their stools.

John L. Sullivan (vs. Corbett)
Jack Johnson (vs. Willard)
Gene Tunney (vs. Greb 1)
Jack Dempsey (vs.Tunney 1)
Primo Carnera (vs. Baer)
James J. Braddock (vs. Louis)
Joe Louis (vs. Rocky Marciano)

To those who say the men of the past were not toughter than the men today. Show me who these men are.

Tyson?
Liston?
V. Klitschko?

Once these men knew defeat was inevitable they found a way to quit.

I am willing to learn.

P.S. Please don't waste my time telling me Klitschko was leading on the cards. A fighter knows when he is about to be beaten, that's when the injuries always seem to suddenly appear.

P.S.S. I did not include Ali (vs. Berbick) or Frazier (vs. Ali 3). Because both those men were physically restrained from fighting by their seconds. I have no doubt both would have continued.

- - Tyson took a horrific beating from Douglas, yet won by KO in any honest Commish jurisdiction.

Liston never took a beating, but Ali made him dislocate his left arm, so the mob arranged for him to stool it so they could recoop some of their losses on an easy early KO of young Clay who needed Angie to smooth talk officials into passing his physical after his hysteric fit at the weighin physical.

Vit never quit but rather still playing by Ama rules by his Ama coach who made a lot of professional mistakes with Wlad also until they figured out the bizness.

[Bronson66]

- - Tyson took a horrific beating from Douglas, yet won by KO in any honest Commish jurisdiction.

Liston never took a beating, but Ali made him dislocate his left arm, so the mob arranged for him to stool it so they could recoop some of their losses on an easy early KO of young Clay who needed Angie to smooth talk officials into passing his physical after his hysteric fit at the weighin physical.

Vit never quit but rather still playing by Ama rules by his Ama coach who made a lot of professional mistakes with Wlad also until they figured out the bizness.

Liston did not dislocate his arm.
Ali's only problem was his fake ,self induced, high blood pressure ,when it was taken later it was normal.Dundee had nothing to do with it.


Vitali quit cold against 10 day replacement Byrd,even though his trainer Sdunek could be heard telling him,"it will be okay," in German ,which was translated by a media interpreter,Vitali could then be heard replying,
"no, it hurts too much." his decision,which he was entitled to make,but don't make out he didn't quit.HE DID!

Sdunek was an experienced trainer who coached and worked the corners of.

I've corrected you on this before,but no doubt you will still spout this old nonsense again at a suitable interval.

[Marchegiano]

It's a very fair point. As much as I love Spinks plenty of his showing against Tyson could be attributed to him going in that ring full of quit.

I'll take a while before I purpose a name. In the light of Louis others who are bright seems rather dim.

[QueensburyRules]

Liston did not dislocate his arm.
Ali's only problem was his fake ,self induced, high blood pressure ,when it was taken later it was normal.Dundee had nothing to do with it.


Vitali quit cold against 10 day replacement Byrd,even though his trainer Sdunek could be heard telling him,"it will be okay," in German ,which was translated by a media interpreter,Vitali could then be heard replying,
"no, it hurts too much." his decision,which he was entitled to make,but don't make out he didn't quit.HE DID!

Sdunek was an experienced trainer who coached and worked the corners of.

I've corrected you on this before,but no doubt you will still spout this old nonsense again at a suitable interval.

- - Ks turned pro before them fellers.

Liston-Liston was taken to St. Francis Hospital following the fight and emerged hours later with six stitches under his left eye and his left arm in a sling. Eight doctors consulted and came to the conclusion that he had torn a shoulder muscle and the injury was debilitating. Dr. Alexander Robbins said, "There is no doubt in my mind that the fight should have been stopped."

The Miami Beach Boxing Commission ordered Liston's purse withheld after the fight. When asked why, commission chairman Morris Klein said, "We just wanted to make sure everything was all right." After the doctors' report, the commission was satisfied that there was no wrong doing and allowed Liston to collect his purse.

Jack Nilon, Liston's adviser, said Liston hurt his shoulder during training, but they decided against postponing the fight "because we thought we could get away with it."

Years later, author David Remnick spoke to one of Liston's cornermen for his book, , and was told that the shoulder injury "was all BS. We had a return bout clause with Clay, but if you say your guy just quit, who is gonna get a return bout. We cooked up that shoulder thing on the spot."

Take U dum dummy up with the Hospital Docs, not some slimy mob cornerman.