What if Jesus was just a crazy person?

[BoZz]

So you believe in santa? It is you who need to grow up.

Whatever Jesus smoked, it must have been some bomb sht... if he even existed.

Many of them are minor doctrinal differences. You know how fickle people can be. One of the biggest differences between Baptists and Methodists is whether you should immerse the person to be baptized in water, or should you sprinkle water on them. I can't imagine God saying, "You didn't have enough water on you. You fail. Go to hell."

But, nonetheless, people argue over silly things

He's got a point there, can you explain to us what Santa has to do with religion and what connects him to Christianity? The same goes for Easter Bunnies, never understood what bunnies and eggs had to do with Christianity and their holiday. That's why i was telling you lot's of the stuff is stuff which was made up by people for their own benefits. Santa and the Easter bunny bring in millions to people who're not even Christian. I don't think any bible teaches about Santa or the easter Bunny yet they're the two major holidays for Christians.

[GhostofDempsey]

Why not? If someone says they are Christ today, we dismiss them as crazy. If someone says they have seen or spoke to Jesus, we say they are crazy, put them on meds. So how do we establish credibility of someone who walked the earth 2,000 years ago? Back then, people believed that natural disasters were acts of angry Gods and that the earth was flat. They had their own hallucinogenic drugs they were smoking and licking back then too. The Bible is a book written by 66 different authors at various times and places. How do we establish their credibility?

[BodiesInFlight]

He's got a point there, can you explain to us what Santa has to do with religion and what connects him to Christianity? The same goes for Easter Bunnies, never understood what bunnies and eggs had to do with Christianity and their holiday. That's why i was telling you lot's of the stuff is stuff which was made up by people for their own benefits. Santa and the Easter bunny bring in millions to people who're not even Christian. I don't think any bible teaches about Santa or the easter Bunny yet they're the two major holidays for Christians.

Isnt the easter egg a symbol of fertility or something? I think they stole it from an old pagan tradition the same as christmas trees being of pagan origin.

[FinitoxDinamita]

He's got a point there, can you explain to us what Santa has to do with religion and what connects him to Christianity? The same goes for Easter Bunnies, never understood what bunnies and eggs had to do with Christianity and their holiday. That's why i was telling you lot's of the stuff is stuff which was made up by people for their own benefits. Santa and the Easter bunny bring in millions to people who're not even Christian. I don't think any bible teaches about Santa or the easter Bunny yet they're the two major holidays for Christians.

You dont sound like a believer either so Im trying to figure why you called me an idiot.

In a nutshell, Jesus/bible was created to keep people in line so he’s like Santa Claus for grownups.

[JimRaynor]

He could have been party based on a character like that or a old times magician or something but there's no mention at all of him outside of Christian writings, he didn't actually exist.

He is just a made up composite of many of the gods that went before him. there's literally nothing original about the Jesus story.

This is correct.

It is almost certain that there was no actual Jesus. The inspiration for the Jesus character probably drew from some actual people of the times. Some mystics, some spiritualists, some gurus or rebellious preachers of that era.

A whole lot got made up. A whole lot got borrowed from earlier myths.

There is simply zero credible evidence that a person named Jesus, who the new testament was based on, ever existed.

And as per Hitchen's razor - that which is asserted without evidence (such as the existence of Jesus) can be dismissed without evidence.

It surprises me just how ****** people really are to suggest that Jesus didn't exist.

[JimRaynor]

Do you have any examples? I've read a few "versions" of the Bible, and all I've ever noticed are minor translational differences, never any major doctrinal differences.

Also, I'm not sure what relevance variations in the N.T. would have on whether or not Jesus of Nazareth actually existed or not, which is the point I'm addressing

I have no examples because I didn't read any, but I was wondering as well why they had so many versions. If they're identical then why are the called different and why are they disagreeing with each other. I mean if they didn't then why have all those different named churches. There's quite a few in my town and some of the people I know would not go to the other church because they don't teach/preach the same things as their church. So like I said, there must be some difference otherwise people wouldn't divide/seperate from each other.

There aren't any differences, or different versions of the bible. It's just a bunch of morons parroting what other morons who want to seem edgy by being anti religious spew. Download the bible app which is universal everywhere, with its 1000 translations from every language, and you'll find that the translation are all the same, only difference is how they are worded. For instance, the NIV might say And the Lord took him by the foot, while the ESV might say, The Lord grabbed his foot, and this about the extent of difference you're going to get.


They uncovered the Dead Sea scrolls in the 1940's, and it found biblical scripture that was over 2000 years old which was identical to the biblical scripture of today.

[Lomasexual]

It surprises me just how ****** people really are to suggest that Jesus didn't exist.

That which is asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

I went looking for evidence that there was a singular figure which the Jesus myth was based on. There was nothing which would convince anyone who was being objective.

Of course, if you have religious belief, or sympathise with it, then you aren't objective.

[JimRaynor]

That which is asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.

I went looking for evidence that there was a singular figure which the Jesus myth was based on. There was nothing which would convince anyone who was being objective.

Of course, if you have religious belief, or sympathise with it, then you aren't objective.

Yeah ok guy, go make these fairy tale arguments somewhere in an atheist forum, they'll have a much better chance landing there.

[Lomasexual]

Yeah ok guy, go make these fairy tale arguments somewhere in an atheist forum, they'll have a much better chance landing there.

There are thousands of religious beliefs around the world, many of them which are mutually exclusive.

That means that thousands of them must be, without any doubt, wrong.

Even if there was one correct version, you are guaranteed that the vast majority of religious belief around the world is simply wrong. That's a mathematical, logical certainty.

Yet how successful do you think you would be in trying to explain to those people, that their belief is wrong?

You would fail to convince anyone, despite the fact that you would be 100% right and they would be 100% wrong.

Why is this?

When you can step back and understand this, then you will understand how ridiculous and egocentric your beliefs are, and also why I don't really care too much if you want to believe in fairy tales.

If someone doesn't value logic and rationality, then you can't give them a logical or rational argument and expect them to care.

That's your problem.

[JimRaynor]

There are thousands of religious beliefs around the world, many of them which are mutually exclusive.

That means that thousands of them must be, without any doubt, wrong.

Even if there was one correct version, you are guaranteed that the vast majority of religious belief around the world is simply wrong. That's a mathematical, logical certainty.

Yet how successful do you think you would be in trying to explain to those people, that their belief is wrong?

You would fail to convince anyone, despite the fact that you would be 100% right and they would be 100% wrong.

Why is this?

When you can step back and understand this, then you will understand how ridiculous and egocentric your beliefs are, and also why I don't really care too much if you want to believe in fairy tales.

If someone doesn't value logic and rationality, then you can't give them a logical or rational argument and expect them to care.

That's your problem.

What you wrote is a bunch of mumbo jumbo, we are talking about the existence of Jesus, now whether you want to believe if he was God incarnate is another thing, but his existence is unquestioned among scholars. There are infinitely more sources on Jesus existence than anyone else in history from 2000 years ago.