The tale of two cities….

[1bad65]

******ly is ignoring statistics as usual.

Team loyalty > everything else


It's like the sun coming up every morning.

Why you even bother......

[GhostofDempsey]

Ah, the myth of poverty having a direct correlation to crime.


That's easily disproved.

During the Great Depression, we saw poverty (and poverty rates) at levels never before seen or seen since. Yet crime rates during that time were nowhere near record levels.

I've cited this many, many times when debating countless superfans who play that worn out talking point about poverty and crime bring directly related.

To date; I've yet to get even one rational response to that point.....

The poorest city in Kentucky has very little crime. It’s a small city but plagued with poverty and the rate of violent crime isn’t anywhere near Jackson.

Statistics are blatantly ignored when it comes to crime. The poster //// slapped him around all over multiple breads with hard statistics that were still dismissed. You can’t fix ignorance, especially those who choose to be ignorant.

[Guest]

I still find it funny when people quote the constitution, as if a document written in the 18th century has value today.

It's also why Fat Yankistan is so culturally strange... anyone who asks for guns to be controlled is a "*******". Whereas to most of the rest of the world, ALL Fat Yankistanian politicians are to the right by definition. Simply because most countries don't have domestic gun ownership.

[man down]

I still find it funny when people quote the constitution, as if a document written in the 18th century has value today.

It's also why Fat Yankistan is so culturally strange... anyone who asks for guns to be controlled is a "*******". Whereas to most of the rest of the world, ALL Fat Yankistanian politicians are to the right by definition. Simply because most countries don't have domestic gun ownership.

Um because it does have value? Look up the heller case on guns. Fat yanks? lol this guy. Check your tooths, yeah I said tooths.

[Zaroku]

I don’t know but I kinda wonder why saiblo14 cares about America and reparations but he is Jamaican doesn’t own guns

I got guns and lots of ammo
I wanna live like Dave Chappell (sic) with white neighbors

[1bad65]

The poorest city in Kentucky has very little crime. It’s a small city but plagued with poverty and the rate of violent crime isn’t anywhere near Jackson.

Statistics are blatantly ignored when it comes to crime. The poster //// slapped him around all over multiple breads with hard statistics that were still dismissed. You can’t fix ignorance, especially those who choose to be ignorant.

Yup.

Appalachia is one of the poorest parts of America. Yet it does not have near record high crime rates.

There's a good article on that I've posted before.

[Citizen Koba]

Ah, the myth of poverty having a direct correlation to crime.


That's easily disproved.

During the Great Depression, we saw poverty (and poverty rates) at levels never before seen or seen since. Yet crime rates during that time were nowhere near record levels.

I've cited this many, many times when debating countless superfans who play that worn out talking point about poverty and crime bring directly related.

To date; I've yet to get even one rational response to that point.....

Yes you have, you've simply chosen to ignore the inconvenient bits of my responses. There are multiple factors involved. Income disparities (ie where the wealthy and poor rub shoulders) rather than simply 'poverty' is one correlate although it turns out that actually it's more the perception of inequity (unfairness) rather than the actual degree of inequality which is the better correlate for crime rates. The other strong correlate is the degree of urbanicity.. it's a simple fact that in urban communities people spend far more time in contact which people with whom they have no direct or indirect relationships - people who they don't know, than in low throughput communities where folk generally are far more likely to know or have some form of relationship with the people they meet.

These correlates hold up both internationally across ethnic and so called 'racial' divisions and also hold up historically. In the 19th and early 20th C US the Irish and Italians were often spoken about and considered as irredeemably criminal and degenerate by nature... in other countries other ********** and outsiders have filled the same role... the Irish in Industrial era England are a good example

Poverty alone is a weak correlate... when everyone in a community has nothing and everyone knows each other - as is more common in poor rural communities the world over - crime rates are typically low. When some people are wealthy when most are poor crime rates are higher. When the poor and wealthy co-exist in more densely populated areas where people are less likely to have social or kinship ties crime rates become higher still.

[travestyny]

******ly is ignoring statistics as usual.

Which is what you did?

You didn't list the relative statistics. Didn't even think to mention them. Did it ever even cross your mind that Mississippi has the highest poverty rate in the entire United States? For you to think that doesn't even deserve a mention in your "study" is silly.

67 million people live in France. 69 million people live in Thailand. Even if the laws were exactly the same, do you expect that to make everything similar? No. That would be ******ity.


The Philippines government is modeled on the US' government. If you do per capita studies, do you expect everything to be exactly the same? Of course not because it's far more complicated than your feeble mind can understand.


But, as usual, you ducked the question. Do you expect murder rates to be the same if there were no guns? I'll answer for you since you are known for ducking, ducky. Of course not. It makes logical sense then that if you can reduce the amount of guns, that will have an affect on the murder rate. If the idiot that shot up that school had to wait till he was 21, hopefully he would have come to his senses by then, but we wouldn't know what Uvalde is right now.

[Madison Boxing]

Ah, the myth of poverty having a direct correlation to crime.


That's easily disproved.

During the Great Depression, we saw poverty (and poverty rates) at levels never before seen or seen since. Yet crime rates during that time were nowhere near record levels.

I've cited this many, many times when debating countless superfans who play that worn out talking point about poverty and crime bring directly related.

To date; I've yet to get even one rational response to that point.....

yeah thats peoples favourite excuse, 'the oppression and poverty pushed me into crime'. theres always excuses for why people act like trash, always

[travestyny]

yeah thats peoples favourite excuse, 'the oppression and poverty pushed me into crime'. theres always excuses for why people act like trash, always

No one gave that excuse here since no one has discussed people's personal motivation for committing crime. It's two completely different things. You can have two members of the same family, obviously living in the same environment, and one chooses to commit crime and the other doesn't. That's personal responsibility.

What was being discussed is the link between other factors (like Koba wrote about extensively) and crime. It doesn't wipe out personal responsibility, but obviously, it can't be ignored.

Here is a Chicago Police Chief, obviously much more invested than you or I, talking about this with regards to Chicago.

"Police alone is not and cannot be the only solution for the gun violence faced by so many throughout Chicago," he said. "What we, the Chicago Police Department, will continue to do is do the best we can taking violent offenders off the street and removing the illegal guns from our neighborhoods."

But, Brown said people in many communities, particularly young people in areas of high poverty, need opportunities.

"Their families live hand to mouth," he said. "They need the opportunity to have a job, to participate in the American dream, see a future."

"And not just, you know, this menial job that really doesn't provide a living wage. They need a real opportunity to learn a trade, to be part of the capitalist market and not driven to only see the drug market as the only legitimate way to make money," Brown continued.

He's not making excuses for criminals. He's talking about ways to set people up for success so they avoid making those poor decisions.