Comments Thread For: Andre Ward Feels Joshua Will Be Better Off If He Cuts Down Muscle Mass

[PRINCEKOOL]

He just needs to focus his training on endurance and speed and strategy and not on weight loss. Everyone's body has an optimum weight and his is higher, a lower weight might lower his punch resistance.

Yes, you are making good points.

If you want to improve endurance, you train endurance. You do not decide 'Oh I am going to randomly drop 10 pounds of muscle mass'.

If endurance athletes want to improve, they train the fitness component. Then whatever weight they are, that will be their weight.

The human body will find its optimal weight, when the athletes listen to its instincts.

Some fighters especially in the lower weight divisions, have screwed their natural instincts up so much? I don't think they should be giving advice to Heavyweights.

David Haye has been retried for years, and he is still in condition. Lets go and check and see what happens to all these lower weight fighters when they retire? Most of them get badly out of condition and also have bad lifestyle habits.

About 70-80% of the lower weight fighters behave this way etc. It seems to be more so in the modern era aswell.

[MONGOOSE66]

No.

Usain Bolt gained 1- 2 stone in weight and became faster.

Losing weight does not equate to having greater speed, or endurance.

It is training and hitting targets which improves the components of fitness.

Anthony Joshua has had more impressive performances at higher weights 'This is a fact'.

Show me a fight, where Joshua has displayed greater endurance, durability and punching power than his fight vs Kiltschko?

Somebody quote me and show me the fight. The fight does not exist.

Note: The issue we have here in the boxing community, is that you have bloons giving out advice.

Bloons don't understand physiology, and they have no idea about science.

MONGOOSE66, does Tyson Fury need to lose weight mate? Is his endurance and dexterity really that great?

Where is the proof in this? Wilder was all over the place in terms of movement, and Whyte could hardly move etc.

Your a moron if you don’t understand that “less mass equals less o2 consumption, which translates to increased endurance. The reason that Joshua never needed to do this before is because he’s never met such an active fighter/ HIGH fighting pace as Usyk.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Your a moron if you don’t understand that “less mass equals less o2 consumption, which translates to increased endurance. The reason that Joshua never needed to do this before is because he’s never met such an active fighter/ HIGH fighting pace as Usyk.

You have no idea what you are talking about, you are just repeating cliches 'That is all you are doing here MONGOOSE66'.

Your posts are completely useless on this thread. Just repeating cliches, and backwards perceptions regarding conditioning.

Less mass does not 100% equate to more endurance 'Nowhere in science is this a fact, or even a outcome of dropping mass'. VO2MAX is not improved just because somebody drops mass.

Athletes have to train the components of fitness to 100% improve that specific fitness attribute.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Your a moron if you don’t understand that “less mass equals less o2 consumption, which translates to increased endurance. The reason that Joshua never needed to do this before is because he’s never met such an active fighter/ HIGH fighting pace as Usyk.

How do endurance athletes train? Is there sole focus on dropping weight or actually training the component of fitness?

Answer me the question MONGOOSE66.

The main goal is to train the component of fitness, because that is how you improve mate.

And that is why, your posts on this thread are backwards and full of complete nonsense.

Never-mind these other people on this forum bigging you up, if they big you up.

I am telling you straight mate, your posts on this thread are utter crap 'Completely and utter backwards nonsense'.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Your a moron if you don’t understand that “less mass equals less o2 consumption, which translates to increased endurance. The reason that Joshua never needed to do this before is because he’s never met such an active fighter/ HIGH fighting pace as Usyk.

This is also a boxing fight. Fighters have to take into consideration, many different types of components of fitness.

If Anthony Joshua according to you, just randomly decided to drop 10 pounds of muscle mass. We don't know how he is going to do this? Because from what I can see, Anthony Joshua is a lean athlete, and does not have any bad lifestyle habits like boozing or eating crap.

But according to you MONGOOSE66. You think if Joshua automatically drops functional muscle mass, that this will improve his endurance.

What endurance are we talking about? Because there are different types of endurance.

Speed endurance, Strength endurance, Lactate Thershold, Aerobic Capacity etc.

You see MONGOOSE66, you are not really thinking this through. And you have tried to be smart and attempted to catch out the wrong person on this forum.

I will completely blow you out of this thread, I will obliterate everything you say 'If you want to carry on'.

The odds are if Anthony Joshua just randomly decides to drop muscle mass, is that his strength will decrease and with that? His strength endurance will go backwards. This is not good thing for Heavyweight boxer. And this is also something I have detected in Joshua's performances.

Since Anthony Josuha has started to come in around 240 pounds and under, I have never seen him weaker. His strength, durability and punching power has vivdly gone backwards. Once upon a time in the heavyweight division, there was talk of Anthony Joshua being one of the biggest punchers in the division 'That talk has long been left behind'.

And we have more components of fitness that may negatively be effected by just randomly deciding to drop muscle mass.

Speed. The ability to generate speed, is how much force your muscles can apply in the shortest amount of time. A stronger muscle, will be able to generate more force, which then a athlete must apply in a very short amount of time 'Ultimately this is what generates speed'.

That is why athletes in sports such as Track and Field athletics, power lift and incorporate Olympic Weight lifting in their training routines. Because those movements and exercises, train the athletes muscles to generate high levels of force, and then apply that force in the shortest amount of time 'This will appear as a explosive movement'.

So as you can see, many specific components of fitness and overall a boxers performance. Is going to be negatively effected by just randomly dropping muscle mass.

I am 100% adamant, that it is backwards advice. Especially when that is all people are saying 'And that is all you are saying MONGOOSE66, repeating cliches'.

Joshua vs Usyk is not just about Aerobic Capacity. No boxing fight is.

[MONGOOSE66]

How do endurance athletes train? Is there sole focus on dropping weight or actually training the component of fitness?

Answer me the question MONGOOSE66.

The main goal is to train the component of fitness, because that is how you improve mate.

And that is why, your posts on this thread are backwards and full of complete nonsense.

Never-mind these other people on this forum bigging you up, if they big you up.

I am telling you straight mate, your posts on this thread are utter crap 'Completely and utter backwards nonsense'.

Im telling you mate that if you can’t understand “lighter” is faster with better endurance. Joshua is “over muscled” for his frame.
I can’t make that any more clear. Perhaps comprehension of the fight game isn’t your strength. “Riotous ****er sucker” or “idiot savant” seems to flip the bill for you. Hey by the way, their doing a study on people with your type of learning disabilities. Look up trials for Dunning-Kruger Effect. It could help.

[MONGOOSE66]

This is also a boxing fight. Fighters have to take into consideration, many different types of components of fitness.

If Anthony Joshua according to you, just randomly decided to drop 10 pounds of muscle mass. We don't know how he is going to do this? Because from what I can see, Anthony Joshua is a lean athlete, and does not have any bad lifestyle habits like boozing or eating crap.

But according to you MONGOOSE66. You think if Joshua automatically drops functional muscle mass, that this will improve his endurance.

What endurance are we talking about? Because there are different types of endurance.

Speed endurance, Strength endurance, Lactate Thershold, Aerobic Capacity etc.

You see MONGOOSE66, you are not really thinking this through. And you have tried to be smart and attempted to catch out the wrong person on this forum.

I will completely blow you out of this thread, I will obliterate everything you say 'If you want to carry on'.

The odds are if Anthony Joshua just randomly decides to drop muscle mass, is that his strength will decrease and with that? His strength endurance will go backwards. This is not good thing for Heavyweight boxer. And this is also something I have detected in Joshua's performances.

Since Anthony Josuha has started to come in around 240 pounds and under, I have never seen him weaker. His strength, durability and punching power has vivdly gone backwards. Once upon a time in the heavyweight division, there was talk of Anthony Joshua being one of the biggest punchers in the division 'That talk has long been left behind'.

And we have more components of fitness that may negatively be effected by just randomly deciding to drop muscle mass.

Speed. The ability to generate speed, is how much force your muscles can apply in the shortest amount of time. A stronger muscle, will be able to generate more force, which then a athlete must apply in a very short amount of time 'Ultimately this is what generates speed'.

That is why athletes in sports such as Track and Field athletics, power lift and incorporate Olympic Weight lifting in their training routines. Because those movements and exercises, train the athletes muscles to generate high levels of force, and then apply that force in the shortest amount of time 'This will appear as a explosive movement'.

So as you can see, many specific components of fitness and overall a boxers performance. Is going to be negatively effected by just randomly dropping muscle mass.

I am 100% adamant, that it is backwards advice. Especially when that is all people are saying 'And that is all you are saying MONGOOSE66, repeating cliches'.

Joshua vs Usyk is not just about Aerobic Capacity. No boxing fight is.

It wasn’t me who said it first. It was a PROFESSIONAL boxer named Andre Ward. I got a question for you. Why do you think you know more than him??

[MONGOOSE66]

You have no idea what you are talking about, you are just repeating cliches 'That is all you are doing here MONGOOSE66'.

Your posts are completely useless on this thread. Just repeating cliches, and backwards perceptions regarding conditioning.

Less mass does not 100% equate to more endurance 'Nowhere in science is this a fact, or even a outcome of dropping mass'. VO2MAX is not improved just because somebody drops mass.

Athletes have to train the components of fitness to 100% improve that specific fitness attribute.

So U disagree that less mass translates into Less oxygen uptake???

[REDEEMER]

Posters are over thinking this way to much . While it’s true a small person has better oxygen uptake abilities it isn’t the overall end of the deciding factor . A.J does perform well at just about any weight that we’ve seen him in ,you also would have to look at the actual punch counts ,power punches etc he produced which is more energy output .

Strength training like lifting weights increases the ability to transplant oxygen to the muscles more effectively . So if A.J loses muscle that just means he has to be less fit because less blood would be needed to carry oxygen to the muscles , more muscles means he has to have a better or more prepared training camp because the weight will require more oxygen intake and more for the lean muscle he has .

Im not going to say now but after A.J wins this topic will be relevant and I’ll tell everybody how I knew he would win and should win rather easily .

A.J is an elite athlete he can carry 245/250 very easily . I don’t think there is an actual right or wrong answer here I think he’ll perform the way he should in reflexion of the actual training camp he’s doing now which will sustain a V02 max for a full 12 rounds if he has to.

A.J has produced the most weight obsessed following in the history of boxing just based on his looks but it don’t work like that ,abilities to perform at top level is dictated in the training camp and this is his best one yet . He is going to be a handful fir the undersized Usyk .

[Blond Beast]

Joshua needs to just train, and whatever weight he is? That should be his weight.

That ultimately should be a heavyweights attitude to training.

Joshua since he has been obsessing over his weight, has actually gone backwards.

Joshua at 250 pounds vs Kiltschko, had greater endurance, durability and punching power than this current version.

Whenever Joshua gets in and around 240 pounds and under, everything goes backwards.

This is a statistical observation I have made. And it is always right.

Excellent post. Weight is discussed so much in HW boxing cause it’s a tangible number to list and compare to other fights. The fighters don’t have to make weight so there can be huge disparities between fighters which causes intrigue. Also it’s the big guys so it helps sell the events. It’s not unlike pro wrestling.
Cardio has to be the most important. Just the ability to go the distance throwing and taking punches for twelve cause that’s always the possibility.
He just needs to feel his best in the ring. He will know better than anyone where he feels the most confident. The best on his feet, the most explosive, dynamic. Do all the work you need to do and let the weight fall naturally. It’s not like he’s coming into camp obese. Eat the amount of calories that make you feel lean, mean and full of energy.
He’s such a big guy his weight can fluctuate so much from day to day depending on water and carb intake. ( carbs hold water molecules ) So try not to sweat it. Don’t worry about the scale. There’s no limit or fine no matter what. He’s always going to look great physically. He just needs to fight great.
My uncle was a national level rugby player. World Cups. He’s 6’5 245lbs. Claims to have run a 5 minute mile. Boxers have to fight with their shirts off so you see their muscularity. Cause comments. A lot of people are more lean and muscular than you’d think but you can’t always tell under their clothes.
Your own feet will tell you what feels best, but a scale.