Juan Manuel Marquez moving up

[nelsoncm]

JMM can't dictate how much he receives from HBO or Showtime because he's just too good and technically sound above everyone else, or in short, boring.
If he's not in demand, then surely he doesn't deserve that much. Most experts' observation is correct: He priced himself way too high. He is not EM or MAB. Never in his lifetime.

[m00ks]

Weak...

Marquez didn't miss out on a payday. That's what he was negotiating to get, a payday a fighter of his caliber is worth.

He didn't miss out on a payday? Wtf are you on? He missed out on 750 000 dollars, that's what he missed out on.

Here's an excerpt from that article:

And those “top fights” and “bigger purses” are the responsibility of Marquez’s promoter, Top Rank, who the pugilist blames for his shortcomings. “Top Rank has held me back and not given me the promotional attention that I deserve. I blame them for me and my brother, Rafael’s, careers not being where they should be. A lot of people claim that I was asking for too much money for a rematch with Pacquiao, and it was my fault that the fight was not made, but I was not asking for more than a fighter of my quality deserves. I’m not asking for all of the pearls in the sea; just want what I’m worth. Although I’m making less money for the fight against Polo than what I was going to get for a rematch with Pacquiao, I’m still satisfied because I did not give in to them (Top Rank) and stood my ground. -- JMM

Top Rank isn't holding him back, he's just not marketable and he's too damn hardheaded to realize that. ANY promoter would have a hard time marketing JMM with his counterpunching snoozer style. HE'S NOT A DRAW, case and point. No matter how many promoters he goes through, or how many fights he wins, the public cannot and will not fall in love with him unless he lets his hands go, and that's something he will never do. You'd think with the constant booing he gets in his fights, he'd get the point.

And again, Marquez isn't ducking Pacquiao. He wants a rematch and is willing to go up in weight to fight him:

"I also want to finish my business with Manny Pacquiao because I know that I beat him. I’ll go up to super featherweight and meet those guys there." -- JMM

No he's not ducking Pacquiao, but he's become too unreasonable with his demands. Wtf was he thinking asking for double what was offered to him when he can't put asses in seats. And if he wants to rematch Pac at 130, he can throw all negotiations out the window, cuz he ain't no champ at superfeather. So if he tries to make ridiculous demands like that again and the rematch don't push through, that'll be his fault and his alone.

Barrera looked unmotivated and didn't fight the way he usually does and should have, especially against a hungry Pacquiao. I still give Pac credit for his part in beating a lacluster Barrera, but I think a hungrier Barrera would hammer Pacquiao with his superior boxing skills and "phone booth" exchanges. Here's an excerpt from a take on Barrera -- contrasting his fight with Paulie Ayala to his fight with Pacquiao:

A hungrier Barrera would not hammer Pacquiao in a rematch even if he does posses superior boxing skills. Phone booth exchanges? He did that early in their fight and he got battered like meat with Pac's faster fists. Something your forgetting about your boy, he's prone to straight shots (Junior Jones ring a bell) and guess what Pac's bread and butter is? Left straight down the pipe...In a rematch, you don't think Pac would be equally hungry having lost to Morales? Listen, Pac would always be the faster, younger, fresher fighter and he has Barrera's number because his style fits perfectly with the latter. Simple as that. The truth is hard to swallow...

[I]Looking back through the lens of history and in the context of Barrera's performance last Saturday against Ayala some things are starting to become clear about Barrera's performance. Things that weren't so clear in the days and weeks following Pacquiao's veritable destruction of "The Baby Faced Assassin".

It's true, he looked slower than Pacquiao. Pacquiao looked hungrier and tougher. Manny clearly and distinctly unleashed all hell on Barrera.

But Barrera showed hunger on Saturday night. He came in ready, focused and with one thing in mind: to knock out Paulie Ayala. And he did. Where was the hunger in the Pacquiao fight?

In the immediate days leading up to the Pacquiao fight Barrera had some very serious distractions. Most obvious were the revelations that Marco had been fighting, not to mention living, with a metal plate in his head as a result of a medical procedure done in Mexico City back in 1995.

Barrera had fought 16 times since the procedure, had been examined by the boxing authorities and was cleared to fight.

At the same time all this was going on Barrera and his camp had to evacuate Big Bear and finish training camp in San Antonio as a result of the wildfires that struck California in the last week of October 2003.

All this happened in the few weeks leading up to the fight

You've got to be ****ing with me if you're comparing a shot feather-fisted Ayala with Pacquiao. LOL you know you people crack me up. You're so quick to jump on us Pac fans about excuses, but Marco's are apparently acceptable to you lmao. Pac's glove issue was an excuse and FOREST FIRES were concrete reasons? LOLOLOL. Complete and utter ignorance....

I read in some Manila sources some claims of some negotiation talks of a possible Barrera - Pacquiao rematch around September. I don't know about the credence to those claims, and I think that was before the Morales - Pacquiao match, so who really knows. I hope it's true. With Marquez setting the blueprint for beating Pacquiao and on the heels of a Morales beating of Pacquiao, I think Barrera would be willing to rematch Pacquiao more so than you think. You seem to think everyone is dodging Pacquiao. I just wanna see Pacquiao rematch any of the Mexican trio 'cause I know they can beat him handidly.

Barerra said it himself he did not want to fight Pacquiao because according to him, it would be "pointless", that people would say Morales "softened him up". Which is bull**** of course.
The only person dodging Pac in my opinion is Barrera. His comments speak for itself.

From the same source I listed above, here's an excerpt on what a lot of people, including myself, think about the Marquez - Pacquiao fight and a possible rematch:

First, let's explore the merits of a Pacquiao-Marquez rematch in relation to the other two possible fights.

The truth is that if most fans honestly assess the Pacquiao-Marquez fight they will have to admit that Marquez will probably win the rematch. At least he should be considered the betting favorite based on his performance in that fight.

There is very, very little chance that he would come out semi-cold and get caught and overwhelmed by the Pacquiao power again. Not a second time.

Many people felt that Marquez won 9 of the 12 rounds and even with the 10-6 score in the 1st round did enough to pull out the win by a score of 113-112.

Again, Pacquiao could have easily been and should be IMO 1-2. And when Marquez rematches Pacquiao, it's very likely he'll avenge that draw and beat him (again).

Many people felt Marquez won 9 out of 12 rounds including you so he should be 1-2? Another example of prime time comedy. It's ****** for any one to think Manny only won 3 rounds in that fight. And if that's the case, they're hugging on Marquez' balls like theres no tommorrow. Like I said, you all got ****** into the "comeback hype" and stopped watching the fight. All NEUTRAL boxing experts said it was a close fight and you apprarently saw a blowout? PFfffffff, this is boxing not a movie. As thrillainmanila said, the FACT is he's 1-1-1. You can hope, you can pray, **** you can even close your eyes and believe but he'd still be 1-1-1.

I think I'd give Pacquiao a little more respect than I'm giving him now, but as long as ****-talkers like yourself keep running your crap and deluding yourselves, I'll reserve my respect for better fighters that deserve it.

Get this straight. I've always given the 3 M's respect that they deserve. But when idiots like you denies Pac of his dues and, I'll talk **** back. You should be thankfull that Pac's giving you exciting fights but you can't even see that fact you're so blind. And next time you wanna argue with me kid, stop quoting articles and form you're own arguments. Cuz these articles are just another man's opinion to me and I'll gladly tread on them with my own

[{BrownBomber}]

**** all I got to say is you guys have toooooooooo much time on your hands.

Ill just wait calmly wait for the rematches.
After watching the Erik-Pac fight there is no doubt in who will win all the rematches.
There was a comment made a while ago that said Pac will burn threw Mexico. I always said he was the gonna get burned.
I think now Pac is gonna get torched.

[kadyo's]

**** all I got to say is you guys have toooooooooo much time on your hands.

Ill just wait calmly wait for the rematches.
After watching the Erik-Pac fight there is no doubt in who will win all the rematches.
There was a comment made a while ago that said Pac will burn threw Mexico. I always said he was the gonna get burned.
I think now Pac is gonna get torched.

We'll wait for the rematch. In the mean time let me just watch the two vidas in your sig. Damn, she's hot hot hot !!!!

[{BrownBomber}]

We'll wait for the rematch. In the mean time let me just watch the two vidas in your sig. Damn, she's hot hot hot !!!!

Be carefull u could get burned also!

[kadyo's]

Be carefull u could get burned also!

Burned and about to get wet

[Joaquin_Adriel]

Hey guys i think we should not under estimate the capabilitiies of JMM because he woudnt not be a champ for nothing. Maybe PACMAN drop him 3 times in the 1st round. However, after that pacman did nothing. JMM showed that he has a lot of heart to give that is why he did not quit and fight until the end of the rounds. Although there are controversey about that fight but for me "Boxing is Boxing" & "Sports is a Sports" you'll never know what will happen in the end. If JMM wants to have a rematch w/ the man they called Mexican Assasin then give him a chance its time for them to settle all the unfinished business and see whos really the best. but whatever the putcome of that fight they should accept it like a real man. There is no need for EXCUSES this time.

C'mon Let's get it on!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[{BrownBomber}]

Burned and about to get wet

Who's the girl on your avatar?

[kadyo's]

Who's the girl on your avatar?

You know her of course. Now, am I teasing you?

[AIR_KENG]

Whoever made the first post about Marquez moving up meant as in rising up as a fighter, not moving up in weight to avoid Pac, or that Marquez was indecisive about wanting to fight Pac.

well dude, i meant he was moving up in weight, and not rising up as a fighter... moving up in boxing is generally known as moving up in weight, IMO... he was indecisive, i agree with jomapac because he said he's not moving up in weight before then now he wants to move up...