Originally posted by Josh2k5
Marquez didn't miss out on a payday. That's what he was negotiating to get, a payday a fighter of his caliber is worth.
Here's an excerpt from that article:
And those “top fights” and “bigger purses” are the responsibility of Marquez’s promoter, Top Rank, who the pugilist blames for his shortcomings. “Top Rank has held me back and not given me the promotional attention that I deserve. I blame them for me and my brother, Rafael’s, careers not being where they should be. A lot of people claim that I was asking for too much money for a rematch with Pacquiao, and it was my fault that the fight was not made, but I was not asking for more than a fighter of my quality deserves. I’m not asking for all of the pearls in the sea; just want what I’m worth. Although I’m making less money for the fight against Polo than what I was going to get for a rematch with Pacquiao, I’m still satisfied because I did not give in to them (Top Rank) and stood my ground. -- JMM
And again, Marquez isn't ducking Pacquiao. He wants a rematch and is willing to go up in weight to fight him:
"I also want to finish my business with Manny Pacquiao because I know that I beat him. I’ll go up to super featherweight and meet those guys there." -- JMM
I'd figure at some point in the negotiations for splitting the revenue from PPV dollars, Roach and Pac's corner would have some say in what their take is, but assuming that weren't the case, I'll concede it might've been strictly Top Rank's fault for negotiations falling through. But even if Freddy Roach's big-mouthed ass isn't the catalyst for the contract dispute, the fact remains: Marquez is the WBA/IBF champion and Pacquiao is the challenger. It's generally accepted that the champion gets the lion's share of the purse. And obviously that's not what's happening.
Barrera looked unmotivated and didn't fight the way he usually does and should have, especially against a hungry Pacquiao. I still give Pac credit for his part in beating a lacluster Barrera, but I think a hungrier Barrera would hammer Pacquiao with his superior boxing skills and "phone booth" exchanges. Here's an excerpt from a take on Barrera -- contrasting his fight with Paulie Ayala to his fight with Pacquiao:
Looking back through the lens of history and in the context of Barrera's performance last Saturday against Ayala some things are starting to become clear about Barrera's performance. Things that weren't so clear in the days and weeks following Pacquiao's veritable destruction of "The Baby Faced Assassin".
It's true, he looked slower than Pacquiao. Pacquiao looked hungrier and tougher. Manny clearly and distinctly unleashed all hell on Barrera.
But Barrera showed hunger on Saturday night. He came in ready, focused and with one thing in mind: to knock out Paulie Ayala. And he did. Where was the hunger in the Pacquiao fight?
In the immediate days leading up to the Pacquiao fight Barrera had some very serious distractions. Most obvious were the revelations that Marco had been fighting, not to mention living, with a metal plate in his head as a result of a medical procedure done in Mexico City back in 1995.
Barrera had fought 16 times since the procedure, had been examined by the boxing authorities and was cleared to fight.
At the same time all this was going on Barrera and his camp had to evacuate Big Bear and finish training camp in San Antonio as a result of the wildfires that struck California in the last week of October 2003.
All this happened in the few weeks leading up to the fight
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I read in some Manila sources some claims of some negotiation talks of a possible Barrera - Pacquiao rematch around September. I don't know about the credence to those claims, and I think that was before the Morales - Pacquiao match, so who really knows. I hope it's true. With Marquez setting the blueprint for beating Pacquiao and on the heels of a Morales beating of Pacquiao, I think Barrera would be willing to rematch Pacquiao more so than you think. You seem to think everyone is dodging Pacquiao. I just wanna see Pacquiao rematch any of the Mexican trio 'cause I know they can beat him handidly.
From the same source I listed above, here's an excerpt on what a lot of people, including myself, think about the Marquez - Pacquiao fight and a possible rematch:
First, let's explore the merits of a Pacquiao-Marquez rematch in relation to the other two possible fights.
The truth is that if most fans honestly assess the Pacquiao-Marquez fight they will have to admit that Marquez will probably win the rematch. At least he should be considered the betting favorite based on his performance in that fight.
There is very, very little chance that he would come out semi-cold and get caught and overwhelmed by the Pacquiao power again. Not a second time.
Many people felt that Marquez won 9 of the 12 rounds and even with the 10-6 score in the 1st round did enough to pull out the win by a score of 113-112.
Again, Pacquiao could have easily been and should be IMO 1-2. And when Marquez rematches Pacquiao, it's very likely he'll avenge that draw and beat him (again).
I think Pacquiao is overrated and one-dimensional. I will give Pacquiao this -- he's doing the right thing by going for broke and fighting those big names. If he's to have any chance at making a name for himself as a great fighter, he's gonna have to go through them. And right now at 1-1-1 he needs to do more to eliminate any doubt that he's the best feather/super feather that Roach and company claim he is, and by the looks of his last fight, it doesn't seem likely he'll go any further than this. If anything, it's all downhill from here for him.
I think I'd give Pacquiao a little more respect than I'm giving him now, but as long as ****-talkers like yourself keep running your crap and deluding yourselves, I'll reserve my respect for better fighters that deserve it.
Here's an excerpt from that article:
And those “top fights” and “bigger purses” are the responsibility of Marquez’s promoter, Top Rank, who the pugilist blames for his shortcomings. “Top Rank has held me back and not given me the promotional attention that I deserve. I blame them for me and my brother, Rafael’s, careers not being where they should be. A lot of people claim that I was asking for too much money for a rematch with Pacquiao, and it was my fault that the fight was not made, but I was not asking for more than a fighter of my quality deserves. I’m not asking for all of the pearls in the sea; just want what I’m worth. Although I’m making less money for the fight against Polo than what I was going to get for a rematch with Pacquiao, I’m still satisfied because I did not give in to them (Top Rank) and stood my ground. -- JMM
And again, Marquez isn't ducking Pacquiao. He wants a rematch and is willing to go up in weight to fight him:
"I also want to finish my business with Manny Pacquiao because I know that I beat him. I’ll go up to super featherweight and meet those guys there." -- JMM
I'd figure at some point in the negotiations for splitting the revenue from PPV dollars, Roach and Pac's corner would have some say in what their take is, but assuming that weren't the case, I'll concede it might've been strictly Top Rank's fault for negotiations falling through. But even if Freddy Roach's big-mouthed ass isn't the catalyst for the contract dispute, the fact remains: Marquez is the WBA/IBF champion and Pacquiao is the challenger. It's generally accepted that the champion gets the lion's share of the purse. And obviously that's not what's happening.
Barrera looked unmotivated and didn't fight the way he usually does and should have, especially against a hungry Pacquiao. I still give Pac credit for his part in beating a lacluster Barrera, but I think a hungrier Barrera would hammer Pacquiao with his superior boxing skills and "phone booth" exchanges. Here's an excerpt from a take on Barrera -- contrasting his fight with Paulie Ayala to his fight with Pacquiao:
Looking back through the lens of history and in the context of Barrera's performance last Saturday against Ayala some things are starting to become clear about Barrera's performance. Things that weren't so clear in the days and weeks following Pacquiao's veritable destruction of "The Baby Faced Assassin".
It's true, he looked slower than Pacquiao. Pacquiao looked hungrier and tougher. Manny clearly and distinctly unleashed all hell on Barrera.
But Barrera showed hunger on Saturday night. He came in ready, focused and with one thing in mind: to knock out Paulie Ayala. And he did. Where was the hunger in the Pacquiao fight?
In the immediate days leading up to the Pacquiao fight Barrera had some very serious distractions. Most obvious were the revelations that Marco had been fighting, not to mention living, with a metal plate in his head as a result of a medical procedure done in Mexico City back in 1995.
Barrera had fought 16 times since the procedure, had been examined by the boxing authorities and was cleared to fight.
At the same time all this was going on Barrera and his camp had to evacuate Big Bear and finish training camp in San Antonio as a result of the wildfires that struck California in the last week of October 2003.
All this happened in the few weeks leading up to the fight
--
I read in some Manila sources some claims of some negotiation talks of a possible Barrera - Pacquiao rematch around September. I don't know about the credence to those claims, and I think that was before the Morales - Pacquiao match, so who really knows. I hope it's true. With Marquez setting the blueprint for beating Pacquiao and on the heels of a Morales beating of Pacquiao, I think Barrera would be willing to rematch Pacquiao more so than you think. You seem to think everyone is dodging Pacquiao. I just wanna see Pacquiao rematch any of the Mexican trio 'cause I know they can beat him handidly.
From the same source I listed above, here's an excerpt on what a lot of people, including myself, think about the Marquez - Pacquiao fight and a possible rematch:
First, let's explore the merits of a Pacquiao-Marquez rematch in relation to the other two possible fights.
The truth is that if most fans honestly assess the Pacquiao-Marquez fight they will have to admit that Marquez will probably win the rematch. At least he should be considered the betting favorite based on his performance in that fight.
There is very, very little chance that he would come out semi-cold and get caught and overwhelmed by the Pacquiao power again. Not a second time.
Many people felt that Marquez won 9 of the 12 rounds and even with the 10-6 score in the 1st round did enough to pull out the win by a score of 113-112.
Again, Pacquiao could have easily been and should be IMO 1-2. And when Marquez rematches Pacquiao, it's very likely he'll avenge that draw and beat him (again).
I think Pacquiao is overrated and one-dimensional. I will give Pacquiao this -- he's doing the right thing by going for broke and fighting those big names. If he's to have any chance at making a name for himself as a great fighter, he's gonna have to go through them. And right now at 1-1-1 he needs to do more to eliminate any doubt that he's the best feather/super feather that Roach and company claim he is, and by the looks of his last fight, it doesn't seem likely he'll go any further than this. If anything, it's all downhill from here for him.
I think I'd give Pacquiao a little more respect than I'm giving him now, but as long as ****-talkers like yourself keep running your crap and deluding yourselves, I'll reserve my respect for better fighters that deserve it.
of JMM because he woudnt not be a champ for nothing. Maybe PACMAN drop him 3 times in the 1st round. However, after that pacman did nothing. JMM showed that he has a lot of heart to give that is why he did not quit and fight until the end of the rounds. Although there are controversey about that fight but for me "Boxing is Boxing" & "Sports is a Sports" you'll never know what will happen in the end. If JMM wants to have a rematch w/ the man they called Mexican Assasin then give him a chance its time for them to settle all the unfinished business and see whos really the best. but whatever the putcome of that fight they should accept it like a real man. There is no need for EXCUSES this time.
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