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you don't deserve to live another 5 more minutes ****gayOriginally posted by Josh2k5Comment
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you should go back to your cave, dumb gorillaOriginally posted by Josh2k5Comment
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i hope juan goes up, the best news about that is that rafael will move up to featherweight hopefully.Comment
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Pathetic ...
With MILLIONS of dollars involved in these megafights, $750,000 is chump change. And considering JMM is the champ with 2 titles and not to mention a significant portion of the people buying the PPVs with top-caliber Mexicans are Mexicans, or as the execs put it the "Hispanic market segment", Marquez has every right to be paid what he's worth. Again, this is what JMM said in his interview that was posted on this thread:Originally posted by m00ks
I’m still satisfied because I did not give in to them (Top Rank) and stood my ground. I’m as good as Morales and Barrera
So how could Marquez miss out on a payday when that's exactly what he felt he WASN'T getting and was negotiating to get.
This is what Mark Taffet, Senior Vice-President of HBO Pay-Per-View said:Top Rank isn't holding him back, he's just not marketable and he's too damn hardheaded to realize that. ANY promoter would have a hard time marketing JMM with his counterpunching snoozer style. HE'S NOT A DRAW, case and point.
"But I do know Barrera-Morales IV and Morales-Pacquiao II would both be pay-per-view mega-fights at this point. Even fights including Marquez would generate significant revenue."
And you also have to take into consideration that this was a highly anticipated rematch that EVERYONE wanted to see. So you could try to bull**** yourself all you want but Marquez had a lot of leverage to negotiate. Neither the promoters nor he backed down though, so ultimately it didn't matter. But IMO $1.3 million wasn't something outrageous or unwarranted for a WBA/IBF champion of his caliber.
I'm not the only who knows Barrera wasn't the same focused fighter he usually was, against Pac. That's why I posted that link from an analyst's perspective of the fight. It was more objective than you and I are first off and it illuminated how Barrera was unusually off. Even Barrera commented after the fight:A hungrier Barrera would not hammer Pacquiao in a rematch even if he does posses superior boxing skills.
"I couldn't see a lot of things. I wasn't really concentrating. I wasn't feeling like myself, I don't know what went wrong but it wasn't me," -- MAB
As far as the possibility for a Pac - Barrera rematch goes -- whatever MAB's rationale is, doesn't really matter if Pac already has a tentative rematch in the works with Morales in the near future. IMO all three of the Mexican trio should rematch Pacquiao. The public wants to see these fights.
You're referring to that excerpt I quoted from the webisteYou've got to be ****ing with me if you're comparing a shot feather-fisted Ayala with Pacquiao. LOL you know you people crack me up. You're so quick to jump on us Pac fans about excuses, but Marco's are apparently acceptable to you lmao. Pac's glove issue was an excuse and FOREST FIRES were concrete reasons? LOLOLOL. Complete and utter ignorance....
First off, it's true Ayala wasn't the Ayala of old, but he was by no means a chump like you're trying to portray him to be. He fought and went the distance with Morales. He also fought and beat top-caliber fighters before him, including Johnny Tapia, and Bones Adams and beat them both. He was even the Ring Magazine Fighter of the Year at one point also. So don't try to make him out to be some creampuff. And anyway the point was, that article was contrasting the difference between a game MAB and a lackluster one. And not only that, after that article was written, an even bigger challenge than Ayala confronted Barrera, and that was Erik Morales (who would go on to beat Pacquiao in his next fight). And again, MAB was focused in that fight and wasn't the shotup fighter a lot of people were predicting he might be after he lost to Pacquiao. So again, you could differentiate a focused Barrera versus one that wasn't.
And about the glove issue: What a big crock of **** you babycry conspiracy theorists make up to justify Pacquiao getting hammered by Morales. Larry Merchant tried to make it seem like Morales always used Reyes and for his fight with Pacquiao all of a sudden he switched to Winning brand gloves. That's horse**** -- Morales always uses Winning gloves. This is what Pac's promoter Murad Muhammad said:
"Keep in mind, when we signed this fight last year, Erik Morales said he wants the Winning gloves. And I asked the question, what's the difference in Winning gloves and Reyes gloves, etc., etc.? The Winning gloves protects Erik Morales' hands. Erik Morales has frail hands, fragile hands so he asked to take the Winning gloves." ...
"Secondly, they talk about the gloves. I've said it before, and now Emanuel Steward confirms it. I said, the gloves are no factor in any fight. I talked to Gil Clancy, quote he said, 'Murad, you want to talk about the gloves?' I said 'Yes sir.' He said, 'Winning gloves, what are they supposed to be?' I said 'they're supposed to be a glove with a lot of padding so they don't punch.' 'Reyes Gloves, what kind of gloves are they supposed to be?' I said, 'punchers gloves.' 'One to ten, what kind of puncher is Manny Pacquiao?' I said, 'Gil, he's a ten.' 'One to ten, what kind of puncher is Erik Morales?' I said, 'he's a six and a-half.' 'Consider yourself lucky.' I asked, 'why do you say that Gil?' He said 'because, if your guy is the puncher, and the other guy is a lesser puncher, you just reduced him to a three, and now (Pacquiao) at six and a-half, so you still got the edge.' He said, ' but do you think that Emile Griffith for twenty years we worried about gloves? Do you think Ray Robinson, do you think Joe Louis, when there was no such thing as arguing over gloves? Do you know what kind of padding we had in the gloves? But we got a knock out, didn't you?' I asked, 'why is that Gil?' He said, 'timing and speed, that has nothing to do with gloves. Gloves don't win fights.' I said, 'thank-you Uncle Clancy.' I said to them, the exact same thing that what Gil Clancy said to me and I said to them we do not care about Winning gloves last year, and it was in the contract last year, it was in the contract this year, and furthermore and if you're talking about fighting an Erik Morales who didn't have to fight us, when you're talking about fighting an Erik Morales who is no less a pay-per-view fighter, when you're talking about fighting Erik Morales who is the biggest thing today that came out of Mexico, why would we worry about gloves? Gloves were our least problem. The name of the game was to get Erik Morales in the ring."
Boxing analyst Steve Kim wrote:
"In 2000, before their first classic slugfest, Marco Antonio Barrera and Morales argued about the brand of glove that was to be used. Barrera preferred 'Reyes' and Morales his customary 'Winning' gloves.
"There was a big controversy," recalled Marc Ratner, the executive director of the NSAC. "We flipped a coin and Barrera's people won and we wore Reyes." Ratner says that Barrera was so adamant about wearing his choice of gloves that, "He was not going to fight even if he lost the coin flip."
Fast forward to last Thanksgiving weekend, when Barrera and Morales completed their historic trilogy and there were more issues related to the gloves. This time around, with Morales being the defending WBC/IBF junior lightweight titlist, the contract stated that 'Winning' gloves were to be worn."
Anyone who thinks Manny wasn't handidly outclassed after the first few rounds is blind period. Marquez systematically outboxed, and rocked Pacquiao with hard shots for the majority of the fight and had Pacquiao looking one-dimensional.Many people felt Marquez won 9 out of 12 rounds including you so he should be 1-2? Another example of prime time comedy. It's ****** for any one to think Manny only won 3 rounds in that fight. And if that's the case, they're hugging on Marquez' balls like theres no tommorrow.
Like JMM said though, he has unfinished business with Pacquiao, so we'll see when they get it on again. 1-1-1 right now against the trio.Last edited by Josh2k5; 04-22-2005, 02:28 PM.Comment
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750K is chump change? PLEASE TELL ME WHAT WAS MARQUEZ'S HIGHEST PURSE?!? He was suppose to get 750K and he got nothing. How is that NOT missing out?!??! ****, I would have thought with all the articles you're reading you can at least grasp that simple concept. I'm not knacking on his skills, I'm talking about his M-A-R-K-E-T-A-B-I-L-I-T-Y. Before the Pacquiao fight, my grandmother was more popular. Skills don't decide how much you're paid, it's your ability to put asses in seats. And HE doesn't. You CAN'T argue that cuz it's a FACT. CHAMP OR NOT, HE DOESN'T SELL. Damn it's like talking to a kid.
Man, you just can't build your own opinion can't you. I've shot down everyone of your arguments and you come back with the same ones over and over again.
Oh and by the way, AYALA WAS SHOT FIGHTER WHO COULD'NT PUNCH THROUGH PAPER. **** that Pac actually won rounds against Morales. Poor ol Paulie looked worst than Manny after the fight and Pac was even cut.
Oh Barrera said that himself? Well that changes everything! It MUST be true
What the heck was he suppose to say after he got ass ****d for 11 rounds ?!?! Dumbass, you'd believe him if he said he lost cuz his panties were too tight.
Seriously, how long have you followed boxing or do I have to say it... STYLES MAKES FIGHTS. You should be ashamed that you had to have been told that.
About the gloves, did you just quote Murad Muhammad?!?!?! LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL.Nuff said lol Don't bother quoting me anymore man lol I'm done with you ahahhahahaLast edited by m00ks; 04-22-2005, 03:38 PM.Comment
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Marquez does not want nothing to do with Manny let him fight Scot Harrison or Michael BrodieComment
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he's gay mooks... and he's in love with ya!Originally posted by m00ks
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the road to greatness is still through MEXICO and that is the road PAC is going to take ...Originally posted by BROWN BOMBER
quote from pac: charge it to experience, better luck next time ...
cant wait to see these 3 rematches ...Comment
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