Hopkins myth of great MW

[Canelo and GGG]

have you actually watched the Jones Hopkins fight? It was not exactly "one sided."

One problem with Hopkins and Winky Wright also (for that matter) is that they fought across weight divisions. This makes it hard to categorize them according to weight class. It can be said that Hopkins did not go after low hanging fruit though. Joppy got sloppy pretty quick but was still considered a challenge when he fought Hopkins.

Hopkins suffers from weight class drift primarily because he fought great competition in all divisions. His record at light heavy is much better than Jones unless I am mistaken.

thats why i consider him great LHW

[Humean]

I dont agree especialy when you compare him to other great MWs ,Joppy and Trinidad are not good wins to puut you in all time grat MWs discussion. Now wins in LHW are diffrent strory.We can add a one sided lose to RJJ at MW .

Im not so fast to say when Bhop was at his best ,i would say late 30s early 40s was his best period.

You can only beat the best that is out there. I think it is unfair to mark the best fighter of his era down simply because his era was a relatively weak one. Also as far as you can call any win a great win the Trinidad win was certainly great.

There is no doubt that Hopkins was at his best at middleweight, forget his record and just watch his fights. Hopkins in the late 90s and early 00s was the best version of Hopkins. Also the loss to Jones Jr is not much of a knock against Hopkins, not many, if any, middleweight in history could have defeated Roy at that moment in time.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Can't knock Hopkins for losing to Jones, even if it was a wide decision..



Roy Jones at middleweight was damn near unbeatable

Middleweight that has the power of a light heavy

Speed of a welter

Reflexes of pernell..


I can't think of a fighter besides Roy that always had the advantage of size, handspeed, power, reflexes

[Canelo and GGG]

You can only beat the best that is out there. I think it is unfair to mark the best fighter of his era down simply because his era was a relatively weak one. Also as far as you can call any win a great win the Trinidad win was certainly great.

There is no doubt that Hopkins was at his best at middleweight, forget his record and just watch his fights. Hopkins in the late 90s and early 00s was the best version of Hopkins. Also the loss to Jones Jr is not much of a knock against Hopkins, not many, if any, middleweight in history could have defeated Roy at that moment in time.

Ali greatness come from great era ,and Champions with less good opponets wont be on lelev of Ali ,Leonard,SRR ,Floys and Manny had many very good opponents ,thats why they are superstars,fair or not ,era play big role on how ppl see you.

[The Akbar One]

He is great fighter but not MW ,he have no good win at this devison and mostly given credit for what he done in LHW and i think his one of the best LHWs but not MWs ,what do you think?

If familiar with his division, he has good solid wins. He beat some solid blue collar contenders. Guys that make Golovkins resume look like tissue paper. Good wins, Allen, Echols, Eastman, Joppy, Jackson, Johnson, Mercado, Trinidad etc. Those were solid blue collar contenders, not that soft stuff like Wade, Macklin, Geale, Monroe, Stevens etc. Hopkins would have a huge KO ratio if he came up on Golovkins weak sauce opposition.

[The Akbar One]

rjj
djd
glen j
echols 2x
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absolutely
....................3g resume

AND he moved up.
fought into his 50s

Definitely. You can tell who didn't even watch Hopkins fight, and is just looking at Boxrec. Allen from the first two fights was a good middleweight, Echols was solid, Holmes, JDJ, Joppy, Johnson, etc. Mercado from that first Hopkins fight beats all of Golovkins opponents so far.

[billeau2]

Can't knock Hopkins for losing to Jones, even if it was a wide decision..



Roy Jones at middleweight was damn near unbeatable

Middleweight that has the power of a light heavy

Speed of a welter

Reflexes of pernell..


I can't think of a fighter besides Roy that always had the advantage of size, handspeed, power, reflexes

Am I mistaken about the Hopkins Jones first fight? I know it was a wide decision but if memory serves correct Hopkins was competative with Jones that fight. I admit I am too lazy to rewatch the fight given Hopkins exciting style lol. But am i missing something? because like three people who mentioned the fight make it appear that JOnes beat Hopkins like a drum, when I remember a close technical fight, that Jones won easily but was somewhat competative.

[Elroy The Great]

Definitely. You can tell who didn't even watch Hopkins fight, and is just looking at Boxrec. Allen from the first two fights was a good middleweight, Echols was solid, Holmes, JDJ, Joppy, Johnson, etc. Mercado from that first Hopkins fight beats all of Golovkins opponents so far.

not to say a person has to be a fighters fan BUT give those who deserve credit their credit. i am not an ali fan but gimme a break. ali is the greatest.

bhop kills 3g, and those He beat, on the same night.

[billeau2]

Most consider Bernard a top ten competitor at 160, I don't!
His best win is against Johnson who was an undefeated fighter but his record then was filled with nobodies!
Bernard has talent and he has an uncanny way of dissecting his opponents but that doesn't make him a GREAT fighter. He holds a record of successive wins against who?
Do you consider Oscar and Trinidad real middleweights?
John David? He barely got by Reggie Johnson and who did John David every beat?
Yes these guys were pretty decent but they weren't the maniacs that Hagler had to fight! Sleep well before you see Antuofermo or Hamsho across the ring for 15 rounds. Your concerned the stool might be brought in after they push the ref out of the ring hahahaha........... Hopkins didn't face those animals or anything near what was given to Marvin.

He only had 15 bouts at 175 but he fought better opponents and he won some and lost a few.
Bernard's skill set to me is the play it safe and out last the guy similar to his longevity stint. I can appreciate his moxy but there's nothing exciting or suspenseful about his appearances.

I doubt he's in my top twenty at 160, theres many more middleweights that have more appeal than he has.

Ray

It also seems to me that when one dissects the Trinidad win, which set people to talking about how good Hopkins was, given how easily he handled Tito... for a technical fighter, with enough size & reach, it was relatively easy to avoid the one main weapon that Trinidad was using! Its not like anyone in the room didn't know what Trinidad's plan of attack would be. Hopkins uses a false center line, had reach to start with over Trinidad and could avoid a right hand.

[Canelo and GGG]

If familiar with his division, he has good solid wins. He beat some solid blue collar contenders. Guys that make Golovkins resume look like tissue paper. Good wins, Allen, Echols, Eastman, Joppy, Jackson, Johnson, Mercado, Trinidad etc. Those were solid blue collar contenders, not that soft stuff like Wade, Macklin, Geale, Monroe, Stevens etc. Hopkins would have a huge KO ratio if he came up on Golovkins weak sauce opposition.

Ok ,buut we talkin about all time greatness not comperising with GGG