Best HW of the 80s - Tyson or Holmes?

[Slimey Limey]

One gift decision, Witherspoon. And its funny you would call his opposition sub par and have Marciano ranked 2nd, Dempsey 4th and Tunney 10th.

Witherspoon, Norton, and Williams. Now I know that you're gonna try to refute these with YOUR opinion mate, as you see yourself as some kind of historian God who is never wrong, but these were all seen as gift decisions by the majority of people not just me. Even some of his losses were close ugly decisions. That's how ***** the man fought.

[sonnyboyx2]

Witherspoon, Norton, and Williams. Now I know that you're gonna try to refute these with YOUR opinion mate, as you see yourself as some kind of historian God who is never wrong, but these were all seen as gift decisions by the majority of people not just me. Even some of his losses were close ugly decisions. That's how ***** the man fought.

IMO i had Holmes beating Witherspoon, but i had him losing to Williams & Norton, i also thought he was very fortunate against Bonecrusher Smith (1).... This is a tough call between Tyson & Homes.. but when i think about Holmes vs Spinks/Tyson vs Spinks/Tyson vs Homes... i gotta go with Mighty Mike.

Holmes vs Tyson ITV version.. in the ring after the fight when interviewed by Reg Gutteridge Holmes says,"i could never have beaten Mike Tyson"... The HBO version when Tyson was interviewed in the ring said,"if Holmes was in his prime i wouldn`t have stood a chance".... 2 great sportsmen

[Slimey Limey]

IMO i had Holmes beating Witherspoon, but i had him losing to Williams & Norton, i also thought he was very fortunate against Bonecrusher Smith (1).... This is a tough call between Tyson & Homes.. but when i think about Holmes vs Spinks/Tyson vs Spinks/Tyson vs Homes... i gotta go with Mighty Mike.

Holmes vs Tyson ITV version.. in the ring after the fight when interviewed by Reg Gutteridge Holmes says,"i could never have beaten Mike Tyson"... The HBO version when Tyson was interviewed in the ring said,"if Holmes was in his prime i wouldn`t have stood a chance".... 2 great sportsmen

Ah yes, the first Bonecrusher fight. Indeed he might have lost that one as well. Instead of really dominating Smith like he should have, he went ahead and fought a ***** fight like he always did.

[dde91]

Prime Holmes wouldn't get Knocked out by Prime Tyson. But it would be a HELL of a fight. Holmes has one of the greatest CHINS of all time. And Tyson is one of the P4p top Punchers of all time. Being so small of a HW. But Tyson has Great Boxing skills when he first entered the Boxing scene.

[them_apples]

Prime Holmes wouldn't get Knocked out by Prime Tyson. But it would be a HELL of a fight. Holmes has one of the greatest CHINS of all time. And Tyson is one of the P4p top Punchers of all time. Being so small of a HW. But Tyson has Great Boxing skills when he first entered the Boxing scene.

it's hard to say if he wouldn't have been stopped. My only reason being is, yes he took shavers punch in his prime, but he took Mikes even better - only difference is, Mike followed up and hit him with 6 or 7 hard punches to his dome, that is what ended the night.

Mike hit him clean with a left hook i think, and sent him down. Holmes got up. against Shavers he looked damn near dead. Now, he looked dead against Tyson to, but only because of the combinations he had to endure. Had Shavers had more skill, Holmes would not have got up.

[Bigdaddy_Vh]

Weird but i have Tyson ranked ahead of Holmes for 80's heavies but behind him in the all time rankings

[Slimey Limey]

That's because of peer pressure, mate. Try to develop your own opinion and mind.

[Sugarj]

Interesting quote before by Sonnyboyx2 about the UK afterfight footage. I think Holmes was actually indicating that he would 'never have beaten Mike Tyson' in the condition he was in that night. Thats what his biography seemed to indicate too. That he had a fairly rushed training camp, was 2 years or so ring rusty and was facing a younger, faster Shavers type puncher with an iron jaw!!!

I've heard Holmes say since losing to Tyson that he would have beaten every heavyweight in history in his prime. He wasn't short of ego. I think he said this at the end of the Champions Forever documentary.

Tyson's words seemed genuine, he could be very respectful. It was terrific to see at times.

[TheGreatA]

Interesting quote before by Sonnyboyx2 about the UK afterfight footage. I think Holmes was actually indicating that he would 'never have beaten Mike Tyson' in the condition he was in that night. Thats what his biography seemed to indicate too. That he had a fairly rushed training camp, was 2 years or so ring rusty and was facing a younger, faster Shavers type puncher with an iron jaw!!!

I've heard Holmes say since losing to Tyson that he would have beaten every heavyweight in history in his prime. He wasn't short of ego. I think he said this at the end of the Champions Forever documentary.

Tyson's words seemed genuine, he could be very respectful. It was terrific to see at times.

I've also heard him say that he could have beaten Larry Holmes when he was 15 years old.

Holmes did some of his best work in the late 1970's (and scored a decent win over Mercer in the 90's) so it's not outrageous to have Tyson ahead of him in the 1980's, yet have Holmes ahead of Tyson all-time.

[TheGreatA]

I don't know how Holmes was "lucky" against Bonecrusher Smith. Holmes' jab cut him to bits and he was well ahead at the time it was stopped.