The Greatness of Joe Frazier and an example of when the lineal was needed and came to the rescue of boxing

[billeau2]

Kafkod it is not that you do not agree that the lineal is good, or bad... many members do not care for the lineal. It is your absurd argument that it is not real.

[Willow The Wisp]

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If my days slow down, I will respond with more detail (and everyone awaits that with bated breath, I'm sure).
Liniage of the Heavyweight/Openweight boxing world championship is very different from "Undisputed", we must remember. The former simply reflecting an enduring principle where the passing of the crown can only occur in the ring with real fights, whether by man to man or by a publicly agreed upon elimination tournament encompassing all top contenders; whereas, Undisputed, in the vernacular, simply refers to the fragile collection of all the "Major" sanctioning body titles.

I gotta say. I have strong feelings about the Lineal Heavyweight World Title, and I struggle with maintaining any respect for the boxing thoughts of any fan who professes that the wares of Los Baditos are just as important.

[Bronson66]

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If my days slow down, I will respond with more detail (and everyone awaits that with bated breath, I'm sure).
Liniage of the Heavyweight/Openweight boxing world championship is very different from "Undisputed", we must remember. The former simply reflecting an enduring principle where the passing of the crown can only occur in the ring with real fights, whether by man to man or by a publicly agreed upon elimination tournament encompassing all top contenders; whereas, Undisputed, in the vernacular, simply refers to the fragile collection of all the "Major" sanctioning body titles.

I gotta say. I have strong feelings about the Lineal Heavyweight World Title, and I struggle with maintaining any respect for the boxing thoughts of any fan who professes that the wares of Los Baditos are just as important.

Just to add my two cents.
When Ali first announced his retirement and Frazier beat Ellis,that made Joe the Champ as far as I was concerned.

When Frazier won FOTC there could be no further argument imo.

Some may agree with me others may not,just my opinion.

[billeau2]

Just to add my two cents.
When Ali first announced his retirement and Frazier beat Ellis,that made Joe the Champ as far as I was concerned.

When Frazier won FOTC there could be no further argument imo.

Some may agree with me others may not,just my opinion.

I would tend to agree. To my thinking the need for Ali to be allowed a comeback does not necessarily reside in any provision, knowing full well that to call Ali's situation a retirement could fit into a Lineal provision... Rather it was what was right. And at that point to call upon the lineal, or perhaps to call upon other aspects of "power to the people" to demand something, is the equivalent of William James admonition that "Whether the barn burns down, or a barbQ turns, roast pork is roast pork."

To me to say that the lineal did what it was supposed to does not diminish Frazier's victories. The effect was to usher in a second wind of greatness to the division. I honestly wonder if we will ever have such a competative heavyweight division again... I definitely think we will before Joe DiMaggio's hitting streak is broken!