Would Hopkins Be The King Of Murderer's Row?

[Mr Mitts]

Would Hopkins be the king of Murderer's Row? How would he do among that competition? Would he win more than he lost? Or would he be King?

[Bronson66]

Would Hopkins be the king of Murderer's Row? How would he do among that competition? Would he win more than he lost? Or would he be King?

Interesting question.
We have very minimal footage of the " ROW".
Who here has seen film of :
Jack Chase
Aaron Tiger Wade
Holman Williams
Bert Lytell
Charley Burley
Lloyd Marshall
Eddie Booker
Cocoa Kid
????????
Springs Toledo's book," Murderers Row," is the one to go to for a handle on these sadly forgotten fighters,in fact any of his tomes are well worth their price.


For myself, I can only hazard a guess that Hopkins would fit in their exalted company rather well,but I doubt he would be a standout,maybe that's because I am not a B Hop fan,his cynical stalling shenanigans have always turned me off,talented but definitely not my cup of tea.

[Dr Z]

Would Hopkins be the king of Murderer's Row? How would he do among that competition? Would he win more than he lost? Or would he be King?

Hopefully he did not do murder, but with Hopkins past transgression of crime and who he hangs around with ...


NO, he doesn't belong on BOXING's murderers row. He is not good enough at boxing nor was he avoided as much by other fighters who are on it.


He was however dirty in the ring.

[Mr Mitts]

Interesting question.
We have very minimal footage of the " ROW".
Who here has seen film of :
Jack Chase
Aaron Tiger Wade
Holman Williams
Bert Lytell
Charley Burley
Lloyd Marshall
Eddie Booker
Cocoa Kid
????????
Springs Toledo's book," Murderers Row," is the one to go to for a handle on these sadly forgotten fighters,in fact any of his tomes are well worth their price.


For myself, I can only hazard a guess that Hopkins would fit in their exalted company rather well,but I doubt he would be a standout,maybe that's because I am not a B Hop fan,his cynical stalling shenanigans have always turned me off,talented but definitely not my cup of tea.

I couldn't have said it better, father.

[QueensburyRules]

Would Hopkins be the king of Murderer's Row? How would he do among that competition? Would he win more than he lost? Or would he be King?

- - Poppy would be crawling around the canvas yelping like a kicked cur as was his specialty.

Thus We The People can infer what his status was in prison from that natural reaction in the ring.

[Anomalocaris]

Burley would be trouble.

[DeeMoney]

Burley is the only one who I think is clearly better in a pound for pound sense, but I think Hopkins' size could give him the advantage head to head.

Based on the limited footage we have of Burley though I could really see it being a boring matchup.

Holman Williams could be interesting, the short snippet of footage we have on him is exciting, but by all accounts he wasnt that consistently exciting. His lack of power could give BHop the advantage, but I could see Williams out working him.

The thing with the Murderers Row is they fought each other so often that they all got wins and losses, large sample size leads to a mean regression. I imagine Hopkins would get more wins than losses, but certainly get both.

[Mr Mitts]

I consider Hopkins to have medium power. Was Williams medium too? There is a little bit of range to each level. For instance Williams could punch less hard than Hopkins but still have medium power, whereas we would call Amir Khan definitely light.

[billeau2]

Hopkins made a lot of his bones by being technically skilled over fighters who were less so inclined. He never had great stamina, and he never really had much power. I don't think he does very well and I happen to be a big fan of his.

The problem he has is most guys at this time were savvy. He would have to have more natural abilities to really dominate. I could see him winning a few.

When you really think about it he was very smart because when he fought guys who were naturally smaller his power came through. When fought guys who were bigger he out boxed them.

[Mr Mitts]

In other words that says to me he was not an ATG, which I personally believe. It may be that he fought 3 ATGs--I haven't looked--and lost to the one his own size. Both Hoya and Trinidad were semi-shot as well and former welters. Roy beat Hop with the greatest of ease.

He made some phony records fighting mandatories, I believe. To me he is not an ATG. And If he does not do well--as you say--against a group of guys, most of whom are not ATGs, is he really an ATG himself? I think his resume of people he beat is weak. His supposed greatness results mostly from phony records over B fighters, mandatories, etc. People love records and take them all seriously.