Why Didn't Jeffries Give Sharkey Another Title Shot?

[Dr Z]

[QUOTE=Bronson66;n32421364]

Jeffries got over $30,000 for fighting Sharkey and $15,000 for fighting Corbett.Corbett had lost his two fights the last one to Sharkey,and he hadn't won a fight for 6 years! How was Corbett even a contender?

Dempsey had to prove he deserved another shot at Tunney because he was never in their fight! That's rather different to the Sharkey v Jeffries battle!
How about Jeffries promising to give Sharkey first chance for his next defence?

I guess that meant as much as it did when he said the same thing after Fitzsimmons ko'd Sharkey and Ruhlin in the space of two weeks and then made Fitz wait 2 years for his title chance![/QUOTE




Why didn't Dempsey fight Wills or Greb? Humor me! Why did he decline Langford and bolt out of the ring when Jeannette appeared as a sub ... and they were old men when it happened!


How come Fripo did not get a rematch? How come Jack Sharkey who was Ko's by a low low / left hook combo did not get a re-match? The man was in the lead. I could go on, you're a clown.


But answer these questions! I can keep you ducking them.

[mattdonnellon]

Grist to the mill, from "The Encyclopaedia of Irish Heavyweights-Part one":
"After their first great battle, Jeffries had promised Sharkey first shot at the title when he won it and true to his word, he delivered. What we got is a fight still regarded by many boxing historians as the greatest Heavyweight title fight ever. The bare details disguised the fortitude and nobility shown by both combatants, especially Sharkey, on the occasion.
At the end of twenty five rounds of boxing, George Siler, the referee awarded the decision to the reigning World Champion, James J Jeffries, 215 pounds over Tom Sharkey, 183 pounds, in front of ten thousands sardines masquerading as fight fans at the Coney AC building in New York. But these bare facts mask the most extraordinary of all Heavyweight championship fights.
The Charge of the Light Brigade.
Tom Sharkey proceeded to conduct his own personal charge of the Light Brigade. Into the heavier guns of the champion he marched for twenty-five savage rounds fought at a speed an intensity never seen before or since. "The battle was probably the fiercest that the American fight-going public ever witnessed. Not that the battle was devoid of the element that boxing instructors define as the science of self-defense, but it was essentially a 'slugging match,' in which each of the principals made strenuous efforts to put his opponent out of the fight. That it went to the limit of twenty-five rounds was evidence of the wonderful condition and vitality of both men, for during the hour and forty minutes, blows hard enough to have felled an ox were given frequently. Sharkey did most of the leading during the early part of the contest, but the Californian had the sailor almost out at the finish. When the cheers that greeted the announcement that Jeffries had earned the decision of Referee Siler subsided, three enthusiastic cheers were added for the sturdy ex-sailor, who had taken, manfully, such a terrible beating from an opponent who had height, reach, and weight on his side." New York Times.
Round by Round.
Round by round accounts were furnished but it was impossible to convey the true story. Jeff dominated the first few rounds and decked Tom in the second. He hurt him again at the end of the twenty second with vicious uppercuts and held sway till the finish. In the last round a tired Sharkey struggling to keep his equilibrium dragged Jim’s glove off. As Siler attempted to put the glove back on Tom attacked and Jeffries swung at him with the bare fist, before the bell ended the battle.
The Los Angles Herald gave its opinion. “It was one of the most marvellous battles that has taken place and the greatest crowd that ever gathered in the Coney Island club house witnessed the desperate struggle for supremacy. In five rounds Jeffries had the better of the fight—the first two and last three. During the other twenty Sharkey forced the issue and, like a bull terrier, was at his man with both hands unceasingly. In those twenty rounds Jeffries' great weight and brawn helped him to hold off the sailor, and in the twenty-second round he swung in a couple of vicious uppercuts that made Sharkey groggy.”
Sharkey felt he was robbed and the majority consensus was that he deserved at least a draw. Siler had Jeffries winning clearly, “George Siler, who acted as referee in last night's bout, said to-day: "Sharkey put up a big fight, but he was outgeneraled by Jeffries, who fought a clean cut battle and out pointed Sharkey throughout, with the exception of a few rounds. Sharkey at times was aggressive and led often, but many of his blows, which may have appeared to land on Jeffries, went wide of the mark. Sharkey, in his desire to win, resorted to questionable tactics. It was the greatest heavyweight fight I have ever seen, and I think it will be a lifetime before another such battle takes place. Both men showed gameness, and their endurance was almost marvellous."

[Marchegiano]

Jeffries got $15,000 for defending against Corbett,less than half that he got for defending against Sharkey.

Jeffries and Ruhlin split the following.The gate was over $40,000.

• The fighters received 62½ percent of the gate, which was divided 75 percent to 25 percent in favor of the champion.
• Jeffries was a 2 to 1 favorite.
• So Jeffries made more from the Sharkey fight,than either of his defences against Corbett and Ruhlin,hardly surprising since Sharkey had beaten them both.
• Popular?
• "The fight was the greatest betting affair of any heavyweight contest that was ever fought in this country."The New York Times
• Ringside seats were $ 35 a pop and $68,000 went through the turnstiles .
• George Siler the referee had to have a police escort to take him back to the safety of the dressing rooms.
• Jeffries had $8000 on himself to win at odds of10/7
• Martin Dowling had $10,000 on Jeffries
• Charley Anderson had $3000 on Jeffries against a 4 man Sharkey syndicate who put up,$2,180
• Bottom line Jeffries defended against two men that Sharkey had beaten and gave Sharkey a swerve.

Well, ****

[mattdonnellon]

First battle, from the same book:
"The same went for the fight itself. Sharkey was determined to rid himself of his “Dirty Fighter” tag and for the most part fought fair, seldom employing his favourite shoulder charge as an opener for his vicious wild hooks. Indeed, for a lot of the contest he surprised Jeff with the quickness of his feet and swift ducking as he made Jim look slow by comparison. For twenty rounds they battled at a savage pace Jeffries controlling the fight with his power, size and strength, indeed his superior skill too but Tom had made vast improvement in that department. It was pretty even until “The Boilermaker” dropped Sharkey in the eleventh with a savage blow on the ear. Sharkey kept coming through and won the hearts of the crowd with his courage as time and time again he brought the fight to his much bigger foe. Only his amazing recuperative powers saved him at times and at the bell to end the twentieth, general agreement was expressed with referee Greggains verdict for Jeffries.
The “San Francisco Examiner” of May 6^th, 1898 produced the earliest punch stats that I have seen, 472 to 302 in favour of the Boilermaker. Tom actually out-matched Jeff from the fourteenth on, 125 to 104 but it was too little, too late."

[Dr Z]

Grist to the mill, from "The Encyclopaedia of Irish Heavyweights-Part one":
"After their first great battle, Jeffries had promised Sharkey first shot at the title when he won it and true to his word, he delivered. What we got is a fight still regarded by many boxing historians as the greatest Heavyweight title fight ever. The bare details disguised the fortitude and nobility shown by both combatants, especially Sharkey, on the occasion.
At the end of twenty five rounds of boxing, George Siler, the referee awarded the decision to the reigning World Champion, James J Jeffries, 215 pounds over Tom Sharkey, 183 pounds, in front of ten thousands sardines masquerading as fight fans at the Coney AC building in New York. But these bare facts mask the most extraordinary of all Heavyweight championship fights.
The Charge of the Light Brigade.
Tom Sharkey proceeded to conduct his own personal charge of the Light Brigade. Into the heavier guns of the champion he marched for twenty-five savage rounds fought at a speed an intensity never seen before or since. "The battle was probably the fiercest that the American fight-going public ever witnessed. Not that the battle was devoid of the element that boxing instructors define as the science of self-defense, but it was essentially a 'slugging match,' in which each of the principals made strenuous efforts to put his opponent out of the fight. That it went to the limit of twenty-five rounds was evidence of the wonderful condition and vitality of both men, for during the hour and forty minutes, blows hard enough to have felled an ox were given frequently. Sharkey did most of the leading during the early part of the contest, but the Californian had the sailor almost out at the finish. When the cheers that greeted the announcement that Jeffries had earned the decision of Referee Siler subsided, three enthusiastic cheers were added for the sturdy ex-sailor, who had taken, manfully, such a terrible beating from an opponent who had height, reach, and weight on his side." New York Times.
Round by Round.
Round by round accounts were furnished but it was impossible to convey the true story. Jeff dominated the first few rounds and decked Tom in the second. He hurt him again at the end of the twenty second with vicious uppercuts and held sway till the finish. In the last round a tired Sharkey struggling to keep his equilibrium dragged Jim’s glove off. As Siler attempted to put the glove back on Tom attacked and Jeffries swung at him with the bare fist, before the bell ended the battle.
The Los Angles Herald gave its opinion. “It was one of the most marvellous battles that has taken place and the greatest crowd that ever gathered in the Coney Island club house witnessed the desperate struggle for supremacy. In five rounds Jeffries had the better of the fight—the first two and last three. During the other twenty Sharkey forced the issue and, like a bull terrier, was at his man with both hands unceasingly. In those twenty rounds Jeffries' great weight and brawn helped him to hold off the sailor, and in the twenty-second round he swung in a couple of vicious uppercuts that made Sharkey groggy.”
Sharkey felt he was robbed and the majority consensus was that he deserved at least a draw. Siler had Jeffries winning clearly, “George Siler, who acted as referee in last night's bout, said to-day: "Sharkey put up a big fight, but he was outgeneraled by Jeffries, who fought a clean cut battle and out pointed Sharkey throughout, with the exception of a few rounds. Sharkey at times was aggressive and led often, but many of his blows, which may have appeared to land on Jeffries, went wide of the mark. Sharkey, in his desire to win, resorted to questionable tactics. It was the greatest heavyweight fight I have ever seen, and I think it will be a lifetime before another such battle takes place. Both men showed gameness, and their endurance was almost marvellous."

I have a round by round by the police Gazette.

What's up Matt?

[QueensburyRules]

Shut up silly bollocks,the adults are talking.

- - Mo' Monkey Gibber from U.

Jeff a prize fighter fought everyone worth fighting then, some of whom beat JJohnson, and was racking up a fortune when he retired undefeated.

Veni, Vidi, Vici...the end save for U slobbering...

[Bronson66]

- - Mo' Monkey Gibber from U.

Jeff a prize fighter fought everyone worth fighting then, some of whom beat JJohnson, and was racking up a fortune when he retired undefeated.

Veni, Vidi, Vici...the end save for U slobbering...

Jeffries retired because his purse for his last gimmee defence against no hoper Jack Munroe was so dissapointing.

• The purse was $25,000, with Jeffries getting 75% and Monroe 25%.
• ie Jeffries $19,2,50

To make another decent purse he knew he would have to fight the black challengers,and there is no way on earth he was going to risk that!
"When there are no more white challengers to fight ,I shall retire ,I will never take a chance on losing my title, defending it against a black fighter."
Jim Jeffries.
It isn't so much that you are a fool,it's that you actually think you are smart and have something of value to contribute.lol

[Dr Z]

Jeffries retired because his purse for his last gimmee defence against no hoper Jack Munroe was so dissapointing.

• The purse was $25,000, with Jeffries getting 75% and Monroe 25%.
• ie Jeffries $19,2,50

To make another decent purse he knew he would have to fight the black challengers,and there is no way on earth he was going to risk that!
"When there are no more white challengers to fight ,I shall retire ,I will never take a chance on losing my title, defending it against a black fighter."
Jim Jeffries.
It isn't so much that you are a fool,it's that you actually think you are smart and have something of value to contribute.lol

Jeffries said he would face Marvin Hart after he beat Jonhson if there was demand $$$ for it. There was not.

If the purse was there, he would have fought on.

If you follow the career of Sharkey , Jeffries gave him a fierce beating and he quickly declined. That is why he did not get a third fight.

Having said that there is little doubt Jeffires beat the best version of Sharkey. You really should know this after 20+ years with of anti threads.

[Bronson66]

Jeffries said he would face Marvin Hart after he beat Jonhson if there was demand $$$ for it. There was not.

If the purse was there, he would have fought on.

If you follow the career of Sharkey , Jeffries gave him a fierce beating and he quickly declined. That is why he did not get a third fight.

Having said that there is little doubt Jeffires beat the best version of Sharkey. You really should know this after 20+ years with of anti threads.

This offer below was 3 months after the Munroe fight.

					16 4 1		Hazard's Pavilion, Los Angeles	W-KO	2/20
Johnson defends world 'colored' heavyweight title. Martin down three times in the second round. "..Manager McCarey of the Century Athletic Club announced that he would offer a $15, 000 guarantee for a match between Jeffries and Johnson..." Sharkey posted a $5000 bond to fight Jeffries within a week of their second fight. Lets look at this "quick decline" After losing to Jeffries, Sharkey fought; Joe Goddard13th Feb1900 and stopped him in4 rds,that's three moths after the Jeffries fight. 6 days later Sharkey ko'd Jim Jeffords. Then on March the 15thSharkey ko'd Jack McCormick in 1 round. Two weeks later Sharkey ko'd Tom Stockings Conroy in3 rds. Three weeks later Sharkey knocked out Joe Choynski in 3 rounds. Five fights .five wins, all by stoppage. Fact .After their second fight Jeffries stated when I fight again Sharkey will get the first chance. He didn't ,instead Jeffries defended against JohnFinnegan who had been wrecked in his last fight by Gus Ruhlin. being floored 7 times. Sharkey had kod Ruhlin in 1 round! Don't tell me anyone deserved a title shot more than Sharkey at that time because the facts prove that to be a LIE!

[Marchegiano]

Does anyone appear on Jeff's record more than twice?