What if Gene Tunnney was un-defeated in 60+ fights?

[MarbleFallsMauler]

IMO Tunney is not in the conversation for ATG HW. Not enough bouts at that weight. LHW is another story, for despite being ravaged at least twice and possibly three times by a well known middle weight he did have a very good record at 175 against quality opponents.

[Marchegiano]

The lines between heavyweight and light heavyweight were blurred in those days. As far as quality of opponents beaten, Tunnney holds something like 10 wins vs. Hall of fame opponents.

I perfer to use Wikipedia first as several historains edit it.

Hell man, that is fair as ****. My bad, Bronson's as right as any of us.

Would it help if I claimed every fight on my list was billed as HW or is this a debated poundage issue?

[Marchegiano]

Just gonna throw this out there

GhostofDempsey

I'm just generally interested in what you have to say in this period let alone interested in what you have to say on Tunney. Wish you posted more bro.

[Bronson66]

Tunney was simply a magnificent light heavy -so incredibly skilled and way ahead of his time.

Fun fact.

He used to lightly spar with Hemingway, one time 'Papa' (being the utter c**t he actually was) tried to sucker punch Gene.

Only to see a lightening fast rock hard fist stop within half an inch of his face and Tunney warning him - 'Never do that again'.

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[Anomalocaris]

Hemingway was a total scumbag, Mailer was another, this was (very politely) demonstrated in the superb 'Shadow Box' by George Plimpton.

Highly recommended if you have never read it.

[Bronson66]

This

What survives really for most fans is Tunney retired his title. That's probably why folks love to rate him an ATG HW. With all of what 3 HW fights?


Outside of that, I'm honestly shocked at Bronson's acceptance of Boxrec on Tunney. 65-1-1. says who exactly? Why exactly?



Gene Tunney's record so says Das Marche:

1. Jul 2 Bobby Dawson New York, NY TK 8
2. Aug 7 Battling Genrimo New York, NY KO 3
3. Aug 28 George Lahey New York, NY KO 2
4. Dec 8 Young Guarini New York, NY TK 8
5. Dec 15 Young Sharkey New York, NY KO 6
6. Dec 29 Sailor Wolfe New York, NY KO 2
7. Dec 21 "Young" Joe Borrell New York, NY KO 2
8. Jan 15 Hughey Weir New York, NY KO 2
9. Jul 8 Young Guarini Jersey City, NJ KO 1
10. Hank Wuerhl Romarantin, Fr KO 3
11. Johnny Newton Romarantin, Fr KO 6
12. Dec 5 Victor "K.O." Marchand Paris, Fr KO 2
13. Dec Howard Morrow Romarantin, Fr KO 6
14. Dec Tommy Gavigan Romarantin, Fr D 12
15. Jan 31 "Fighting" Bob Martin Paris, Fr W 4
16. Mar 24 Indian Lewis Tours, Fr KO 1
17. Mar 31 Dare Davis Tours, Fr KO 3
18. Apr 14 K.O. Sullivan Paris, Fr W 10
19. Apr 26 Ted Jamieson Paris, Fr W 10
20. Dec 29 Bob Pearce Newark, NJ TK 2
21. Jan 1 Whitey Allen Bayonne, NJ KO 2
22. Jan 20 Bud Nelson Bayonne, NJ KO 1
23. Jan 26 Jim Monahan Jersey City, NJ TK 1
24. Feb 2 Al Roberts Newark, NJ KO 8
25. Mar 4 Ed Kinley Jersey City, NJ KO 5
26. Apr 5 K.O. Sullivan Newark, NJ KO 1
27. Apr 9 Jack Clifford Binghamton, NY KO 3
28. Jun 7 Jeff Madden Jersey City, NJ TK 2
29. Jun 28 Ole Anderson Jersey City, NJ TK 3
30. Oct 22 "Sergeant" Ray Smith Camden, NJ TK 2
31. Jun 28 Johnny "Young" Ambrose New York, NY KO 1
32. Jul 2 Horace "Soldier" Jones Jersey City, NJ TK 7
33. Aug 4 Martin Burke New York, NY W 10
34. Aug 18 Eddie Josephs Staten Island, NY W 12
35. Sep 26 Herbert Crossley Brooklyn, NY W 7
36. Oct 14 Jack Burke New York, NY TK 3
37. Oct 25 Magnus "Wolf" Larsen New York, NY TK 7
38. Dec 22 Eddie O'Hare New York, NY KO 6
39. Jan 13 Battling Levinsky New York, NY W 12
40. Feb 11 Jack Clifford Brooklyn, NY TK 6
41. Feb 14 Whitey Wenzel Philadelphia, Pa TK 4
42. Apr 10 Jack Burke Pittsburgh, Pa TK 9
43. May 23 Harry Greb New York, NY L 15
44. Jul 6 Fay Keiser Rockaway Beach, NY W 12
45. Aug 4 Ray Thompson Long Branch, NJ KO 3
46. Oct 27 Chuck Wiggins Boston, Ma W 10
47. Nov 3 Jack Hanlon Brooklyn, NY KO 1
48. Nov 29 Charley Weinert New York, NY KO 4
49. Feb 3 Chucks Wiggins New York, NY W 12
50. Feb 23 Harry Greb New York, NY W 15
51. May 7 Jack Clifford Detroit, Mi TK 8
52. Jul 31 Dan O'Dowd Long Island City, NY W 12
53. Dec 10 Harry Greb New York, NY W 15
54. Jan 24 Ray Thompson West Palm Beach, Fl KO 2
55. Feb 15 Martin Burke New Orleans, La W 15
56. Jun 26 Erminio Spalla Bronx, NY TK 7
57. Jul 24 Georges Carpentier New York, NY TK 15
58. Aug 18 Joe Lohman Columbus, Oh TK 8
59. Sep 27 Ray Neuman Ebensburg, Pa W 10
60. Oct 27 Harry Foley Memphis, Tn KO 1
61. Nov 10 Buddy McHale Memphis, Tn KO 2
62. Dec 8 Jeff Smith New Orleans, La W 15
63. Jun 5 Tommy Gibbons New York, NY KO 12
64. Jul 3 "Italian" Jack Herman Kansas City, Mo KO 2
65. Sep 25 Bartley Madden Minneapolis, Mn KO 3
66. Dec 29 Dan O'Dowd St. Petersburg, Fl KO 2
67. Sep 23 Jack Dempsey Philadelphia, Pa W 10
68. Sep 22 Jack Dempsey Chicago, Il W 10
69. Jul 26 Tom Heeney Bronx, NY TK 12

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Because there is a source for every single name and date and result I just listed. 67-1-1, GTFO of here with that BR BS

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[Bronson66]

Hemingway was a total scumbag, Mailer was another, this was (very politely) demonstrated in the superb 'Shadow Box' by George Plimpton.

Highly recommended if you have never read it.

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[Bronson66]

The lines between heavyweight and light heavyweight were blurred in those days. As far as quality of opponents beaten, Tunnney holds something like 10 wins vs. Hall of fame opponents.

I perfer to use Wikipedia first as several historains edit it.

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[Dr Z]

Which HISTORAINS edit it?lol

Do you know how to use WIKI? LOL. Maybe I'll show you if you can wipe that smirk off your face.





He has over 84 recorded fights! And officaly lost just one, I say to dirty tactcs vs. another all time great.


No charge amigo.

[Anomalocaris]

I've read it and 4 biographies of Hemingway.Many of Hemingway's friends ,such as Orson Welle,Sydney Franklin, and Antonio Ordonez said he was a fine man."Total Scumbag," is over the top imo. Mailer had the Jimmy Cagney type small man's complex,imo.

Well I am only goimg by that book. To be fair I have not read any of the biographies.

When George met him when they shook Hemingway tried to crush his hand whilst digging in his nails (as you know).