Your Interpretation Of P4P

[QueensburyRules]

What makes you say unnaturally low weights? The average Philipino 17 year old weighs 117lbs, the average adult 124lbs. Not saying Manny didn't go thru rough times, a lot of boxers have. But how do you know his personal growth rate?

- - Swine squealin' fer pearls yet again...

[JAB5239]

- - Swine squealin' fer pearls yet again...

Nah, just pointing out how you baselessly make things up. To people who don't know better you crap may fly. To those who know how to look things up.....bot so much, Eunuch.

[billeau2]

A promo title and promo rating at best, fanboyism at worst.

A means of selling SRR in an era when HWs were all that mattered.

A metric for measuring skills without measuring weight

A metric for who is most adaptable to any weight

A metric for measuring whose record is best across weight classes

I honestly try to key into the person doing the asking or telling's meaning of the term so that I can talk to them rather than argue semantics.

Likewise, you will not catch me arguing about any ranking order that deals with the same principles. If you think SRR, Pac, SRL, then TBE, cool, bet I can guess what p4p means to you. If you reckon Floyd, Armstrong, RJJ, then Fitzs, cool, bet I can guess what p4p means to you.

If you're a record whore I see no reason to try to make you into a feats ****er. I do think it's worth my time to talk to you about records though.

Love the first two the best, all great points. I feel like we have similar attitudes about some of these fanboy rankings. I do think pound for pound really is more reflection on who is making the pronouncement than any fighter.

But your points about selling SRR is spot on. This was evident in some of the compliments people came up with things like: Robinson could knock a man out going backwards, and making statements about the scientific elements of boxing and using him as an example.

I have no problem with this except that like a lot of people do nowadays It tends to stigmatize the older heavyweights as brutes. I mean pound for pound is a very slim category when it comes to looking at the genius of a fighter like Marciano for example. I still love your statement about Marciano being one in seven generations!

[billeau2]

- - Swine squealin' fer pearls yet again...

And you littering lawns with empty gin bottles again...

[Mr Mitts]

What makes you say unnaturally low weights? The average Philipino 17 year old weighs 117lbs, the average adult 124lbs. Not saying Manny didn't go thru rough times, a lot of boxers have. But how do you know his personal growth rate?

He only knows the growth rate of Manny's pecker.

[JeBron Lamez]

I always thought P4P meant like if one were to break a fighter down into 1lb pieces (for example, Usyk divided by 234 or Inoue divided by 122), and then say who would win at SMW if 168 pieces of Usyk fought 168 pieces of Inoue lol.

[billeau2]

I always thought P4P meant like if one were to break a fighter down into 1lb pieces (for example, Usyk divided by 234 or Inoue divided by 122), and then say who would win at SMW if 168 pieces of Usyk fought 168 pieces of Inoue lol.

Hey! Nuthin wrong with dat! It means what one wants it to mean, as long as one is clear about what that desire is. My own feeling is that when we start to get into true elite, rare territory there are some considerations that should be looked at: Worldwide most people fall between a weight of 100 and maybe 150 pounds or so... That means competition for light and welter weight is off the charts ASSUMING more people actually have a chance to enter the ranks of fighters at that weight.

But here is one clue: In Thailand, a place where Thai Boxing is revered as a national treasure, the real champ lives in these weight classes and the heavyweight division is kind of an after thought.

Basically when Ray Robinson was dominant at Welter and at light weight before, it probably cemented his reputation as the best ever.

[JeBron Lamez]

Basically when Ray Robinson was dominant at Welter and at light weight before, it probably cemented his reputation as the best ever.

Yeah fully. I've got Ray at one, Ali at 2 & can't separate Chavez & Pep for three.

[billeau2]

Yeah fully. I've got Ray at one, Ali at 2 & can't separate Chavez & Pep for three.

One of the things I love about boxing is the way two fighters used to be these two, were mentioned as the two greatest fighters. You had Ray Robinson, Like the God Apollo, well ordered, technically able with all tools needed to subdue the blind fury of men like Lamotta. Robinson as the "greatest one" repping the craft, the power of technique over brute force and will... And then you had Homicidal Hank Armstrong... The opposite entirely. An obvious stone cold killer, if Robinson was Alexander the great, with his vast knowledge and brilliant mind, Armstrong was Genghis Khan, a force of nature rolling across and decimating all in his path. Armstrong was Bacchus/Dionycis A wild wine drinking natural force that compelled through sheer extremes, with an instinct in place of Apollo's reasoned actions.

It never mattered to me whether these two were the greatest, merely how they represented such polar extremes of what a fighter essentially is, and what it means to be great. Boxing had the confidence, the room to not be put off by such extremes. When we actually dig deeper we find that Armstrong was alas, also a technical marvel... And that Robinson had all the qualities of willpower that Armstrong represented lol. But with this contrast one could correctly appreciate what made so many different fighters great: For example, Ali was great, as well as Marciano, despite the great difference between the two men with respect to personality, approach, and just the way each was wired as a human being.

[QueensburyRules]

Nah, just pointing out how you baselessly make things up. To people who don't know better you crap may fly. To those who know how to look things up.....bot so much, Eunuch.

- - U Quoted the average Philpino when Manny is a one off boxing record setter of the whole world.

Sorta like U being a near record setting lower IQ for making up stuff that U know not.