If Tyson Had Been In Prime, In His Fights With Holyfield and Lewis?

[JAB5239]

Im not so sure. The Lewis before or after McCall KO loss?

After the Mcall fight. When Lewis trained hard he was almost unbeatable. He had spells of laziness though that allowed him to lose focus. He would have to be zeroed in because Mike has a chance against any fighter in history in my opinion.

[Hooded Terror]

After the Mcall fight. When Lewis trained hard he was almost unbeatable. He had spells of laziness though that allowed him to lose focus. He would have to be zeroed in because Mike has a chance against any fighter in history in my opinion.

Lewis steadily improved after McCall. He was a completely overhauled animal, IMO. Great fighter.

[QueensburyRules]

Lewis steadily improved after McCall. He was a completely overhauled animal, IMO. Great fighter.

- - Walked into a right hand one punch again, this time vs Rahman.

Enter the usual suspects talking about altitude in a fight that had literally been a walk in the park...yer welcome...

[JAB5239]

- - Walked into a right hand one punch again, this time vs Rahman.

Enter the usual suspects talking about altitude in a fight that had literally been a walk in the park...yer welcome...

Actually Lewis didn't walk into it, Rahman maneuvered him into it. That was the second time he got lazy and lost focus. We saw what happened in the rematch when an in shape and motivated Lewis comes to fight.

[BKM-]

I think you take away PEDs and Holyfield is overwhelmed, like all the early opponents where.

1990 Tyson-Hoyfield - Tyson by TKO

He really needs this in his favor to win I guess, So Tyson gets to compete using PEDS while Holyfield isn't allowed? Because if you think Tyson was ever competing without using PEDs I got a bridge to sell you.

[BKM-]

I've always pegged Holyfield to beat him given Evander's unshakeable mindset, which, I think somehow always rattled Tyson. I state that relative to the Holyfield of 1989-1997 period. I'm less sure about Lenny, however. He's definitely a cut above the usual giants Tyson lumberjacked, however his losses suggest something that the Tyson of the Briggs-Holmes-Tubbs-Spinks run could capitalize on. Very hard to say.

So Lewis' losses makes you think Tyson has a shot at him but Tyson's losses doesn't make you think Lewis has a shot at him, interesting.

[Nash out]

As well marketed as Tyson was, in reality, he was B-level. Right time, right hype, right opponents at the right time. Buster beat prime Mike. Nash out

[Willie Pep 229]

He really needs this in his favor to win I guess, So Tyson gets to compete using PEDS while Holyfield isn't allowed? Because if you think Tyson was ever competing without using PEDs I got a bridge to sell you.

By the time of Holyfield-Tyson (I) both were on PEDs, yes.

Do you believe Tyson was using/abusing pre Douglas?

Do you believe Holyfield was dirty in 1990?

I guess I am saying Holyfield-Tyson pre PEDs if that period ever existed.

I thought I believed it did exist in 1990, you are telling me no?

[QueensburyRules]

As well marketed as Tyson was, in reality, he was B-level. Right time, right hype, right opponents at the right time. Buster beat prime Mike. Nash out

- - Victor Belfort embarrassed Legend Field. He didn't ask for Mike Tyson.

[kara]

After the Mcall fight. When Lewis trained hard he was almost unbeatable. He had spells of laziness though that allowed him to lose focus. He would have to be zeroed in because Mike has a chance against any fighter in history in my opinion.

Buy prime Mike would have been matched with the pre-Lewis, no?