Camacho v Money @ 135 lbs.

[Willie Pep 229]

I know, Camacho won. But he was never the same after Rosario hit him hard, he became Camacho-on-the-bicycle from then on. And if Rosario could hit him like that, I believe that Mayweather definitely could have.

Yea maybe. - Camacho's first fight after Rosario was the mess with Boza-Edwards. (The Preamble to Bramble) His performance that night was so bad it caused the crowd to start chanting 'run Hector run.' (I was at the fight; I was actually standing behind the guy who started the chant. I didn't know him but I was the second guy chanting. Then the whole crowd joined in big time.) But there were circumstances that caused that failure.

The fight before, we watched Bramble get KOed by Rosario and Camacho was crest fallen, he watched a second million dollar gate go out the window; same thing happened to him two years earlier when Bramble's upset of Mancini stole that fight from Hector as well.

Camacho jumped Boza-Edwards in the first round, knocking him down. Then it was as if he just lost interest and the next 11 rounds he did just enough to win. So we chanted 'run Hector run.'

Camacho then wanted away from Don King (and/or the WBC.) and jumped to Jr. WW. I don't know if that got him out of his contract or not, but Don King never pursued him.

Camacho never fought at 135 again. And as his weight climbed he became less and less aggressive as he faced larger opponents.

By the second half of his career, I agree he looked like Gene Tunney after the 7th round KD, he just got on his bicycle and ran.

His performance against Trindad was his worst (IMO).

But the Camacho who decisioned Rosario took big punches and still stayed in there and won the fight.

I doubt Money can **** like Rosario so what good would his counter punching do if he can't hurt Hector. 135 Camacho would hit Money more times in 12 rounds than Money was tagged in his five previous fights.

[Tatabanya]

Yea maybe. - Camacho's first fight after Rosario was the mess with Boza-Edwards. (The Preamble to Bramble) His performance that night was so bad it caused the crowd to start chanting 'run Hector run.' (I was at the fight; I was actually standing behind the guy who started the chant. I didn't know him but I was the second guy chanting. Then the whole crowd joined in big time.) But there were circumstances that caused that failure.

The fight before, we watched Bramble get KOed by Rosario and Camacho was crest fallen, he watched a second million dollar gate go out the window; same thing happened to him two years earlier when Bramble's upset of Mancini stole that fight from Hector as well.

Camacho jumped Boza-Edwards in the first round, knocking him down. Then it was as if he just lost interest and the next 11 rounds he did just enough to win. So we chanted 'run Hector run.'

Camacho then wanted away from Don King (and/or the WBC.) and jumped to Jr. WW. I don't know if that got him out of his contract or not, but Don King never pursued him.

Camacho never fought at 135 again. And as his weight climbed he became less and less aggressive as he faced larger opponents.

By the second half of his career, I agree he looked like Gene Tunney after the 7th round KD, he just got on his bicycle and ran.

His performance against Trindad was his worst (IMO).

But the Camacho who decisioned Rosario took big punches and still stayed in there and won the fight.

I doubt Money can **** like Rosario so what good would his counter punching do if he can't hurt Hector. 135 Camacho would hit Money more times in 12 rounds than Money was tagged in his five previous fights.

I appreciate the detailed analysis and your personal memories, and must say that - at least in part - I do agree on a few points.

For sure it's a fight that I would have loved to watch and - needless to say - one's opinion doesn't mean that his "truth" is carved in stone. That includes my own.

[QueensburyRules]

I know, Camacho won. But he was never the same after Rosario hit him hard, he became Camacho-on-the-bicycle from then on. And if Rosario could hit him like that, I believe that Mayweather definitely could have.

- - And if Camacho could have his own venue, commish, refs, and judges, he'd be just as undefeated.

Guaranteed Camacho faster, quicker, and more natural fighter in those early years with his own style impossible to train for. He only declined because of the nose candy as did many in those years.

[The Old LefHook]

Boxers who keep their chins in the air can be hurt by a punch they do not see coming. A lifted chin means the eyes are in the wrong place. The best way to see a punch coming is to look at the opponent's chest, not his eyes. Looking at the eyes is deadly.

A bulwark of Mayweather's great defense was his own chin tucked securely away. Camacho's defense was reflexes and legs. I am confident Mayweather can match him in the reflex category. As for legs Mayweather does not move as much, because he never had to. I think he could, if he wanted to. But he will not want to. He can just wait for Rico to come to him. With MW's equal speed and his better defense he will still take some punches, more than he ever has before, but should emerge from more skirmishes victoriously.

Knowing Floyd, coke head Hector is tested regularly during the lead up to the fight. He may not have his usual energy, but let's say somehow he does without the coke. When a well-schooled traditionalist meets up with a chin-in-the-air athletic type, everything else being equal, I usually go with the traditionalist.

Camacho is a hard customer to deal with. Yet athletic runners usually know only one way to fight. He is not running away all the time but looking to leap in a la Charley Burley, throw some punches and disappear. At this style IMO he was among the best ever. It was a running style of attack.

Mayweather can see the assault coming with his super fly reflexes. Macho has to come in. I believe Mayweather will be able to time him.

As is, I think the fight is closely contested, with a slight edge to Mayweather. Macho could win if he could fight another way, i.e. he would have a better chance if he could mimic the assault of Maidana. However, in a night of continual skirmishes, Hector just might get himself decisioned.

Maidana does not skirmish, he battles. He gave Mayweather fits, but lost fairly. Camacho is a lot faster than Maidana. I believe that extra speed would make the difference (or rather could) if Hector could fight another way. Personally, I do not think he has the versatility to do it

[GhostofDempsey]

I would go with Camacho by UD, probably a 116-112 scorecard. Mayweather avoided Khan, whose hand speed would have posed serious challenges for him. Camacho was on another level from Khan; greater hand speed, footwork and chin.

[The Old LefHook]

All it took was Edwin Rosario to establish Camacho's actual level. Mayweather would counterpunch him silly.

Most succinct, sir, most succinct.