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[JAB5239]

Yup.


The ordeal is essentially an intelligence test. People who depend on hearsay and legend fail it miserably.

Yet somehow you believe Loughran had to beat Carnerra by ko!! ��

[Rusty Tromboni]

Wolgast signed to fight Mcfarland only to have the fight pulled because of the laws at the time.

If you can provide me evidence of the Wolgast fight being cancelled due to the authorities, I'll accept that McFarland was given the chance.

That doesn't change the fact that Wolgast and Nelson demanded he weigh 133 at RINGSIDE, and refused his offer to make 133 that morning, and 135 Ringside.... yes, that's how serious they were about avoiding the best Lightweight not named Roberto Duran.

Driscoll got his chance to fight and won a close but unanimous decision. Kind of sound like Langford-Ketchel, yet you have no problem there. (Scratching head in bewilderment)

More of your idiocy.

Driscoll was considered the best Featherweight in the world. There were no rankings, but Attell was considered to be wearing his belt. Attell did everything possible to keep Driscoll from getting his shot at the belt.

The newspapers were far more unanimous in their backing of Driscoll over Attell than they were of Langford over Ketchel.

It was a full 10 round fight, not 6.

Attell was at his peak, the good life had taken to Ketchel before he could even arrive at his prime.

Attell often features in Feathwerwight rankings while Ketchel, though a prodigious natural talent, is considered too raw to count among history's best Middleweights.

Driscoll and Attell were the same size, Langford was a Heavyweight fighting a Middleweight.


Do you see how dumb talking out of your ass makes you look? Where's NAt Fleisher or Monte Cox to defend you now? You're all alone now, Homie.

Graham got his shot and lost a close split decision.

Graham was regularly screwed over in fights he clearly won.

You can see them on YouTube, you can read the newspaper reports.


What you can't do is provide evidence that Gans and Langford threw fights or carried opponents. Nor can you prove anyone in BMR was good enough to warrant a title shot. At least show me the footage and records proving they were on Graham's level. What's available proves the OPPOSITE.

Fury is the Lineal heavyweight champion and seen as the best in the division.

Who was robbed in his first fight against Wilder. Even in the rounds where he hit the deck (it was because he had become complacent) he rose to his feet to take over the fight. The rules of the game strongly suggest 10-8 rounds, and definitely require 10-9 (unless Fury himself responded with a KD of his own), but it's easy to say the Fury won almost every minute of that fight. Some rounds were close due to Wilder's refusal to do anything... he didn't take the bait, to his credit. But in no way was that a draw, it should have been a WIDE UD in Fury's favor.

Gans, Langford, BMR ... when did they get ****ed over like that!?!?!?

Loughran was a light heavyweight champion and was given the opportunity to fight for the heavyweight championship and was worn down and beaten by Carnerra. You show no proof and I can find NOTHING of Loughran having to win by knockout besides him saying it decades later. Unlike Gans-McGovern where the betting lines where changing at the last minute and the ref himself said Gans didn't give a true account of himself.

Loughran had been campaigning as a Heavyweight for YEARS you idiot!

He was very accomplished, too. Legitiminately beating men better than Carnerna, and who beat Carnera was he was no longer untouchable.

Owney Madden owned Carnera, and he owned a piece of everything else. He was a legitimized gangster. Loughran was enormously well respected, but his style was not for everyone. Again, ***ish and Italian Boxers were willing to run into each other head first just to score a meal. How do you compete with that? Obviously, guys like Leonard and Pep looked to atone for those antics, but Loughran regularly loss even legitimate matches (look it up, it's there. you can ask your nurse to read for you, if it's above your reading level) because his style wasn't appealing. Madden, maybe, for his part, considered this a favor for Tommy. WHo was other wise blocked from his shot at the Heavyweight belt.

Lol, all these fighters were better than Gans, Langford and the black murderers row? Than why aren't any of them ranked higher than Joe or Sam? And if the fighters of the black murderers row we're at least afforded a shot they would be even more highly regarded.

Because idiots like JAB5239 make the rankings.

[JAB5239]

If you can provide me evidence of the Wolgast fight being cancelled due to the authorities, I'll accept that McFarland was given the chance.

That doesn't change the fact that Wolgast and Nelson demanded he weigh 133 at RINGSIDE, and refused his offer to make 133 that morning, and 135 Ringside.... yes, that's how serious they were about avoiding the best Lightweight not named Roberto Duran.




More of your idiocy.

Driscoll was considered the best Featherweight in the world. There were no rankings, but Attell was considered to be wearing his belt. Attell did everything possible to keep Driscoll from getting his shot at the belt.

The newspapers were far more unanimous in their backing of Driscoll over Attell than they were of Langford over Ketchel.

It was a full 10 round fight, not 6.

Attell was at his peak, the good life had taken to Ketchel before he could even arrive at his prime.

Attell often features in Feathwerwight rankings while Ketchel, though a prodigious natural talent, is considered too raw to count among history's best Middleweights.

Driscoll and Attell were the same size, Langford was a Heavyweight fighting a Middleweight.


Do you see how dumb talking out of your ass makes you look? Where's NAt Fleisher or Monte Cox to defend you now? You're all alone now, Homie.



Graham was regularly screwed over in fights he clearly won.

You can see them on YouTube, you can read the newspaper reports.


What you can't do is provide evidence that Gans and Langford threw fights or carried opponents. Nor can you prove anyone in BMR was good enough to warrant a title shot. At least show me the footage and records proving they were on Graham's level. What's available proves the OPPOSITE.



Who was robbed in his first fight against Wilder. Even in the rounds where he hit the deck (it was because he had become complacent) he rose to his feet to take over the fight. The rules of the game strongly suggest 10-8 rounds, and definitely require 10-9 (unless Fury himself responded with a KD of his own), but it's easy to say the Fury won almost every minute of that fight. Some rounds were close due to Wilder's refusal to do anything... he didn't take the bait, to his credit. But in no way was that a draw, it should have been a WIDE UD in Fury's favor.

Gans, Langford, BMR ... when did they get ****ed over like that!?!?!?



Loughran had been campaigning as a Heavyweight for YEARS you idiot!

He was very accomplished, too. Legitiminately beating men better than Carnerna, and who beat Carnera was he was no longer untouchable.

Owney Madden owned Carnera, and he owned a piece of everything else. He was a legitimized gangster. Loughran was enormously well respected, but his style was not for everyone. Again, ***ish and Italian Boxers were willing to run into each other head first just to score a meal. How do you compete with that? Obviously, guys like Leonard and Pep looked to atone for those antics, but Loughran regularly loss even legitimate matches (look it up, it's there. you can ask your nurse to read for you, if it's above your reading level) because his style wasn't appealing. Madden, maybe, for his part, considered this a favor for Tommy. WHo was other wise blocked from his shot at the Heavyweight belt.




Because idiots like JAB5239 make the rankings.

There you go son, it wasn't very hard to find if you actually did your own research.

As far as Loughran.....he was a great fighter. He was a top heavyweight. Buy he had mixed results against other top heavyweights.

I'm still waiting for a link to ANYONE besides Loughran saying he had to win by knockout over Carnerra.

Lol, I'm an idiot? I'm smart enough to provide links and proof to support my opinions. You on the other hand,......lol, not so much. If we took a poll, who do you think would be unanimously crowned the history sections biggest idiot? I'll make a bet it certainly wouldn't be me. I'd also bet you would be right at the top of that list. Would you like to wager?

[HOUDINI563]

Rust is just making **** up.

Their is no historic information, aside from Loughrans words, anywhere that indicates he had to KO Carnera to win the bout. Period.

[JAB5239]

Rust is just making **** up.

Their is no historic information, aside from Loughrans words, anywhere that indicates he had to KO Carnera to win the bout. Period.

Rusty is the forum jester, doing anything he can to get attention. Facts be damned!!!

[Rusty Tromboni]

Rust is just making **** up.

Their is no historic information, aside from Loughrans words, anywhere that indicates he had to KO Carnera to win the bout. Period.

Hey, Dumb Dumb! Nice of you to join us! Did your nurse fasten your helmet too tight again?

There's no reason not to believe Loughran. He was an honest and kind man. Carnera was a mob commodity.

Do you think that kind of thing would be published in the papers?

[QueensburyRules]

- -Published in the skunk men's hairdressing ads that Tommy used to keep Primo from tying him up.

[Rusty Tromboni]

There you go son, it wasn't very hard to find if you actually did your own research.

OK, an article from decades later suggesting that politicians put the kibosh on THIS instance of their meeting. Why didn't Nelson or Wolgast meet him any other time!?!?!?

If Milwaukee was willing to put up big money to make it happen, surely other cities would have done the same. Why did Wolgast get cold feet? Why did Packey have to make 133 ringside? Wolgast was a *****, and wouldn't give him a shot.... show me which of your boys had that problem, Coal Burner.

As far as Loughran.....he was a great fighter. He was a top heavyweight. Buy he had mixed results against other top heavyweights.

I'm still waiting for a link to ANYONE besides Loughran saying he had to win by knockout over Carnerra.

Again, Dummy, read the press reports. Loughran regularly got shafted by judges because clowns want to watch Sock 'Em Boppers. There's a reason Kimbo Slice became an internet phenomenon but most the people who watched his "fights" don't know Willie Pep. Actual Boxing fans call Ali "The Greatest", but don't even know Willie Pep. Who was a bigger draw in the 90's Old Tyson or Prime WHitaker?

So you see, Boxing is entertainment. Loughran wasn't entertaining enough.

And yes, I am willing to take his word for it. It jives perfectly with reality: when Carnera was protected he couldn't be beat; when his value had subsided, everyone began beating him, even former victims. Show me where Tommy's word is undependable.

Lol, I'm an idiot? I'm smart enough to provide links and proof to support my opinions. You on the other hand,......lol, not so much. If we took a poll, who do you think would be unanimously crowned the history sections biggest idiot? I'll make a bet it certainly wouldn't be me. I'd also bet you would be right at the top of that list. Would you like to wager?

Oh, I fully accept my role as fox in the hen house. I like watching you pigeons getting your feathers ruffled when I come around. You cna make whatever poll you want, a sweet little poodle like you, I'm sure people will say all sorts of nice things. Where are they to protect you now? Why have they left you all alone with the wolf? Queenie tried to throw you a lifesaver with the McGovern fight, but you seem content on arguing with me anyway.


My evidence is simple: the records (with corresponding press reports) and footage of fighters. There's really little need for anything else. Especially not entertainment: which most Boxing "historians" engage in.
I don't need to post links to to BoxRec and YouTube. If you chose to discuss a fighters it's incumbent upon you to be familiar with the material. And again, I can explain it to you, I can't UNDERSTAND it for you.

You really, haven't provided any proof any of those black dudes having to throw fights or carry opponents. If anything, they were all inconsistent and all suffered when the competition stepped up.


We see a lot of that in MMA today. Guys who depend on fast-twitch muscles look TERRIFYING against untrained, out-matched opponents, but their success drops off precipitously when confronted with competent opponents. Why is Stipe Miocic the best fighter north of 170 pounds? Why haven't we seen any great black champion between 135-170 pounds besides Aldo?

[JAB5239]

OK, an article from decades later suggesting that politicians put the kibosh on THIS instance of their meeting. Why didn't Nelson or Wolgast meet him any other time!?!?!?

If Milwaukee was willing to put up big money to make it happen, surely other cities would have done the same. Why did Wolgast get cold feet? Why did Packey have to make 133 ringside? Wolgast was a *****, and wouldn't give him a shot.... show me which of your boys had that problem, Coal Burner.




Again, Dummy, read the press reports. Loughran regularly got shafted by judges because clowns want to watch Sock 'Em Boppers. There's a reason Kimbo Slice became an internet phenomenon but most the people who watched his "fights" don't know Willie Pep. Actual Boxing fans call Ali "The Greatest", but don't even know Willie Pep. Who was a bigger draw in the 90's Old Tyson or Prime WHitaker?

So you see, Boxing is entertainment. Loughran wasn't entertaining enough.

And yes, I am willing to take his word for it. It jives perfectly with reality: when Carnera was protected he couldn't be beat; when his value had subsided, everyone began beating him, even former victims. Show me where Tommy's word is undependable.




Oh, I fully accept my role as fox in the hen house. I like watching you pigeons getting your feathers ruffled when I come around. You cna make whatever poll you want, a sweet little poodle like you, I'm sure people will say all sorts of nice things. Where are they to protect you now? Why have they left you all alone with the wolf? Queenie tried to throw you a lifesaver with the McGovern fight, but you seem content on arguing with me anyway.


My evidence is simple: the records (with corresponding press reports) and footage of fighters. There's really little need for anything else. Especially not entertainment: which most Boxing "historians" engage in.
I don't need to post links to to BoxRec and YouTube. If you chose to discuss a fighters it's incumbent upon you to be familiar with the material. And again, I can explain it to you, I can't UNDERSTAND it for you.

You really, haven't provided any proof any of those black dudes having to throw fights or carry opponents. If anything, they were all inconsistent and all suffered when the competition stepped up.


We see a lot of that in MMA today. Guys who depend on fast-twitch muscles look TERRIFYING against untrained, out-matched opponents, but their success drops off precipitously when confronted with competent opponents. Why is Stipe Miocic the best fighter north of 170 pounds? Why haven't we seen any great black champion between 135-170 pounds besides Aldo?

Lol, I've made my point....and a fool out of you yet again. Enjoy the rest of your day!!! 😆

[HOUDINI563]

He keeps making it all up as he goes.