Men Lie, Women Lie, Numbers Don't - Jay-Z

[Truth]

i see what gold mac is saying, sales etc. don't always mean someone is better. but in the case of jay-z and 50. anyone who tells me 50 is better, i don't know how thats possible based on the facts. i mean you could say it. but it doesnt add up.

[Floyd Sinclair]

I struggle with the notion of numbers...exactly how much should they count for? Numbers definitely do lie, theres no denying that, but if you dont do numbers...then what kind of an impact are you making? If you do real big numbers, that doesnt necessarily mean your the best at your trade. As far as rap goes, i think doing big numbers have more to do with being a great entertainer more then it has to do with being a great rapper, especially with rappers like Soulja boy. But at the same time, its not something that can be completely ignored.

[Truth]

i think numbers lie most of the time, but sometimes they tell the truth. in jays case, he is a great rapper...so i think they are right for being high. ya know?

[Floyd Sinclair]

i think numbers lie most of the time, but sometimes they tell the truth. in jays case, he is a great rapper...so i think they are right for being high. ya know?

I do agree with this...I think he is both a great rapper and a great entertainer.

[Truth]

but in the case of rakim, 50 and cormega...numbers are lying. all three dropped great albums and the public is not responding.

[Mr. Philadel]

Truth....my dude, peep game fam......I am the LAST dude in the world that should EVER be labeled as a Jay-Z hater.....real talk!!!......from day one......summer '96, I been ****in' with Hov......dawg, do you know how many Jay-Z concerts I've been to?.......different cities, different countries like Germany, London and Ghana!!...dawg, the dude Hov was so thorough that after he signed my Reasonable Doubt CD I saluted the God and he returned the jesture.....real talk!!.....I got EVERY Hov album and can recite EVERY dam bar he ever he dropped!!.....I loose my voice at his concerts!!!......I will never be a Jay-Z hater my dude......if I don't agree with what he say's or how he deals with his shooters.....then I'm gonna voice mines and let it be known.......I don't look at Hov as a rapper ......I see him as a hustler!!.....he siad it himself, so he should deal with his shooters like he they in the street and not in da stree (industry)......thats it!!.....and that devil **** he into aint sittin' well with REAL ******s either!!......Truth, to keep it 100 my dude, I might be a bigger Hov fan than you.....real talk!!......but I love the culture and REALNESS of the music more than any rapper!!......feel me fam?!?......don't ever throw the word hater at me my dude.....I'm bigger than that!!......as Hov once said...."can't yall see that he's fake/the rap version of TD Jakes/prophesizin' on ya CD's and tapes/won't break YOU a crumb off the little bit that he makes/and this is with whom ya wanna place ya faith?"

[Truth]

sorry for calling you a jay-z hater. my bad^

[Floyd Sinclair]

i'd rather be a suit and tie ass wearing person who made it, than a broke 36 year old desperate rapper. thats just me though.

I respect that, but sadly i would rather be the 36 year old desperate rapper. I lost.

[Truth]

I respect that, but sadly i would rather be the 36 year old desperate rapper. I lost.

why?.............

[Truth]

Jay-Z made it to where hes at from hard work and constant grinding at his craft. He went 8 years with an album every year.