A Police Encounter...

[billeau2]

First off, this was on the whole a positive experience. Can we try an exerscize here? I found this video upsetting as I really felt for the guy detained. I also felt for the cops detaining him. But the guy detained was obviously a decent guy and in a perfect world, would not have been put through such indignity.

so... What could be improved upon so a guy like this guy would not have to go through this? What occured to me is the process of getting a picture of the suspect if there is one, should be faster. The guy was detained a long time.

Also the guy should not have been cuffed, to me , as long as he is cooperative. Yes, he could take off running, but the trade off is making the guy look like a criminal.

The well intentioned officer was well intentioned but to me he sounded creepy. He did not seem to have the confidence to solemly swear that he would protect the guy.

Thoughts? what could be improved in a situation like this, so a man out for a jog does not have to wait a long time, and be put through a ringer.

[TonyGe]

Yeah the cuffs were unnecessary. I mean he wasn't under arrest he was just being questioned. With all the violence going on I can see why the police might want to cuff him but is it even legal to cuff a person just for questioning?? The one officer looked more nervous than the jogger.

[Left Hook Tua]

Yeah the cuffs were unnecessary. I mean he wasn't under arrest he was just being questioned. With all the violence going on I can see why the police might want to cuff him but is it even legal to cuff a person just for questioning?? The one officer looked more nervous than the jogger.

Yes it is legal to cuff someone for questioning

Just like it's legal to take someone in for questioning

It is quite common

A lot of cops are killed by unarmed men

There was a time when the most dangerous gun to a cop was his own

A lot of cops, at one point the majority of cops, were killed by their own gun

[Real King Kong]

Yeah the cuffs were unnecessary. I mean he wasn't under arrest he was just being questioned. With all the violence going on I can see why the police might want to cuff him but is it even legal to cuff a person just for questioning?? The one officer looked more nervous than the jogger.

I hope it’s legal, cuz I’ve had it happen to me more than once. They usually put you in a car or make you sit if you’re detained. I mean, if they didn’t, and he happened to be guilty with nothing to lose, he could run or fight.

It’s kind of sad that cops have to walk on egg shells to investigate a crime now. I bet there will still be idiots whining about this, calling it systemic racism etc.

[TonyGe]

I hope it’s legal, cuz I’ve had it happen to me more than once. They usually put you in a car or make you sit if you’re detained. I mean, if they didn’t, and he happened to be guilty with nothing to lose, he could run or fight.

It’s kind of sad that cops have to walk on egg shells to investigate a crime now. I bet there will still be idiots whining about this, calling it systemic racism etc.

It's happened to me also. Problem was they were in plain clothes and yelled something I didn't make out. Then they rushed me. I almost took a swing at the lead guy. Thank God I didn't. Would have made things worse.

[Lomadeaux]

A cop comes up to me and says hey buddy I have some questions for you. Don't move.

Want to know what my response is?

..........

"You got it officer, whatever you need."

Holy **** I just solved this whole ****ing puzzle.

IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM am I able to properly communicate in that amount of time that the guy that just robbed the 7-11 down the street who looks JUST LIKE me... ISN'T me...

The only way I'm going to be able to communicate that is by speaking with him or maybe even going downtown with a lawyer present.

[Lomadeaux]

It's happened to me also. Problem was they were in plain clothes and yelled something I didn't make out. Then they rushed me. I almost took a swing at the lead guy. Thank God I didn't. Would have made things worse.

You'd be in jail.

[TonyGe]

You'd be in jail.

Most likely but they do have a responsibility to properly identify who they are before demanding that someone gets in their vehicle which is unmarked. It turned out somewhat OK looking back on it. They didn't handle the situation properly. When I asked them several times what I was being stopped for they would not answer so I said unless you have a reason to stop me I'm not getting in the car. You'd think at that point they would have said something about what was going on. It ended up the guy who was my size tried to physically force me in. He couldn't then things escalated from there. The RCMP had a reputation for demanding complete compliance without giving a reason. Luckily I'm not an indigenous person because they had a rep of beating them up. They also had a routine of driving indigenous people to a remote part of town and leaving them to walk back. Sober or drunk it didn't matter.
After several men, most likely intoxicated died in the winter walking back they were forced to abandon the practise although no one was disciplined as far as I can tell. It can get to minus 40 degrees Fahrenheit in Alberta. That's what ended up happening to me but it was in the fall. LOL. Going back to the original post. People could be made aware of what police are allowed to do during a stop of a citizen so there is less confusion. Police officers should stick to it. If the are questioning a white guy in a three piece suit they should be cuffed. If they are questioning a black guy who was out jogging he should be cuffed. People won't like it but is cut and dried. This is what the protocol is and this is how we conduct our stops. The chances of that happening as the old saying goes are slim and none and Slim left town on the last bus. People aren't going to inconvience themselves in order to help solve this issue.

[Eff Pandas]

I prefer cop/citizen vids like this, but the cuffs & all those extra cops seemed unnecessary. If you gotta detain a guy put him in the back seat of the cop car or better yet if it's too hot make him sit on the ground til you gotta make a call on taking him in or not. If he gives you problems from there or there are risk signs poppin up than yea sure cuff him. This guy was being super chill & seemed a extremely minor threat to anyone with the emotional intelligence to read the situation. I feel like if this was some white family's son or daughter this would be seen as much more problematic than it likely is by most as played out. The US is too militaristic with it's police force & they have a guilty til proven innocent approach that I'm not a fan of.

[TonyGe]

I prefer cop/citizen vids like this, but the cuffs & all those extra cops seemed unnecessary. If you gotta detain a guy put him in the back seat of the cop car or better yet if it's too hot make him sit on the ground til you gotta make a call on taking him in or not. If he gives you problems from there or there are risk signs poppin up than yea sure cuff him. This guy was being super chill & seemed a extremely minor threat to anyone with the emotional intelligence to read the situation. I feel like if this was some white family's son or daughter this would be seen as much more problematic than it likely is by most as played out. The US is too militaristic with it's police force & they have a guilty til proven innocent approach that I'm not a fan of.

The police were nervous because of the problems in other areas with arrests that went bad. It looked to me that they were trying to over explain what was happening and no discredit to them for that. The good police officers are trying to build a rapport with the citizens while some cowboys are tearing it down.