new study- natural immunity much stronger long term protection than two artificial doses

[Madison Boxing]

following on from study showing natural immunity offered 13x better protection than pfizer jabs ()...

to those who fell for all this bull**** maybe next time dont trust a pharmaceutical company who are selling the damn product when they tell you you need 3 shots of their vaccine even if youve already had the damn virus to become 'superimmune' you ****** ****ers lol

[Citizen Koba]

following on from study showing natural immunity offered 13x better protection than pfizer jabs ()...

to those who fell for all this bull**** maybe next time dont trust a pharmaceutical company who are selling the damn product when they tell you you need 3 shots of their vaccine even if youve already had the damn virus to become 'superimmune' you ****** ****ers lol

Do you even read your own links...

Experts said the 'jury is still out' on which type of immunity is better, but almost all scientists agree that a combination of vaccine and natural protection is the best.

Basically yes, although it wasn't clear with earlier variants there's an increasing body of evidence that natural immunity is superior against the increasingly divergent variants than it is from the vaccines designed for the original strain at least over the longer term... vaccines tend to give a stronger short term antibody response but drop off somewhat faster than natural immunity. There ain't complete consensus but it is growing. Not all of studies show the difference being that wide but it's now braodly accepted that the difference is real, although modified vaccines could close the gap again - although I'd make the case at this point that further vaccination would be best focused on the vulnerable since virtually the entire population has at least some immunity at this point.

Also worth noting that none of the patients in the study whether vaccinated or with natural immunity alone became reinfected during the course of the study... the research was carried out on blood samples not in vitro and furthermore focused only on antibodies not on T-cells although other research has shown that T-cell response from natural immunity may also be stronger than from vaccination (though not as strong as vaccination plus immunity).

However:

a) You need to get COVID to get natural immunity and there's always the risk however slight (depending on your circumstances) that you could get hopsitalised have long term effects or God forbid, die

and

b) Having both the vaccine and getting COVID gives you better immunity than just getting COVID..

The upshot being the safest and most rational option is to get vaccinated... then even if you do get COVID and get the natural immunity from that you have the bonus of it being less risky and you're better protected afterwards than you would have been if you'd not gotten vaccinated first.

Think about it ****** ****er.

[Madison Boxing]

Do you even read your own shizzle...



Basically yes, although it wasn't clear with earlier variants there's an increasing body of evidence that natural immunity is superior against the increasingly divergent variants than it is from the vaccines designed for the original strain...

However:

a) You need to get COVID to get natural immunity and there's always the risk however slight (depending on your circumstances) that you could get hopsitalised have long term effects or God forbid, die

and

b) Having both the vaccine and getting COVID gives you better immunity than just getting COVID..

The upshot being the safest and most rational option is to get vaccinated... then even if you do get COVID and get the natural immunity from that you have the bonus of it being less risky and you're better protected afterwards than you would have been if you'd not gotten vaccinated.

why on earth would you need 3 jabs AFTER youve had the virus and survived it? if youve had it once and survived it at its worst on first exposure you dont have anything to worry about the second time when youve got a level of protection which wasnt there the first time round. governements were trying to force people to have 3 mrna jabs on top of that, cutting away their rights if they didnt do what they wanted, its been proven to be ****ing bull**** all these people cared about was getting as many jabs in arms as possible to look good on the charts of their 'vaccine drives', you were lied to mate and your taxes have gone on vaccinating millions of people who didnt need it, money down the drain. on a side note i dont think you said it but i remember robbie barrett clearly writing in black and white that there was no such thing as natural immunity lol

[Madison Boxing]

this is the type of **** they were posting a few weeks back until new evidence came to light.... you would have been considered 'anti science' if you didnt agree with the wise old doctor

'DR MICHAEL MOSLEY: Why vaccine immunity is better than natural immunity (and why unjabbed Novak Djokovic is so wrong to claim he's protected by antibodies after a recent bout of Covid)'

[Citizen Koba]

why on earth would you need 3 jabs AFTER youve had the virus and survived it? if youve had it once and survived it at its worst on first exposure you dont have anything to worry about the second time when youve got a level of protection which wasnt there the first time round. governements were trying to force people to have 3 mrna jabs on top of that, cutting away their rights if they didnt do what they wanted, its been proven to be ****ing bull**** all these people cared about was getting as many jabs in arms as possible to look good on the charts of their 'vaccine drives', you were lied to mate and your taxes have gone on vaccinating millions of people who didnt need it, money down the drain. on a side note i dont think you said it but i remember robbie barrett clearly writing in black and white that there was no such thing as natural immunity lol

Depends on your level of risk man, doesn't it? I was vaccinated early because I'm high risk, in what possible way does that make me '******'... it also might make sense for those who have become vulnerable from other causes since getting it or suffered lung damage during their initial infection, or those who have chronic conditions but haven't yet been vaccinated for other reasons. That said I've never argued that there should be an obligation for those who have already been infected to then be vaccinated, in fact I've never supported general mandates anyway, nor have we had em in the UK so I ain't quite sure of your point.

Besides proof of previous infection has always been an acceptable alternative to proof of vaccination in the UK although not in the US... maybe you're getting confused over which country you live in?

And no, getting the virus once does not necessarily mean you 'have nothing to worry about'. In case you hadn't worked this out yet all this shat is always probabilistic. The odds are heavily increased in your favour but there is absolutely no guarantees that it won't be worse next time. It's just much less likely.

In general - especially at this stage I've maintained pretty much since Omicron emerged that those in good health who ain't already been vaccinated probably don't have much reason to, or at least have less reason to than at any time previously. but that doesn't apply to those who got vaccinated before getting it and vaccination does give additional protection to those who already had it... so yeah. Your point makes zero sense. And lied to huh? How was I 'lied' to when you're using evidence that's only just become available even if it did show that vaccination was useless - which it absolutely doesn't. A 'lie' would presuppose foreknowledge.

Maybe think about that before calling people ****** mfers for taking an action that could save their lives or reduce their chances of hospitalisation even if the risk is relatvely low. You don't know everyone's circumstances so calling people names just because they got different idea of acceptable risk to you doesn't make you a badass, man, it just makes you a bit of a cunt.

And I'm more than happy with my taxes going on saving the lives of my fellow citizens, sorry that you ain't. And if 100 ?0 jabs save 1 ?000 hospital stay and all the associated family trauma, knock on effects, loss of earnings etc then far as I'm concerned that's money well spent. And in fact the costs associated with COVID hospitalisation are likely on average considerably higher than that.. and that's not to mention the other care that was put on hold as a result of people getting sick from COVID.

• A ward bed cost an average of ?13 per night • A Level 2 High Dependency bed cost an average ?57 per night. • A Level 3 Intensive Care bed cost an average ?932 per night

And that was in 2015, man within the added restriction necessary to prevent COVID spreading to staff and other patients..Hard to imagine those cost ain't much higher now especially with the added prophylaxes. And that's just per night. Many COVID patients can be hsopitalised for days or even weeks. You still quite so sure jabbing ain't cost effective as well as saving lives?



Naturally I'm less happy that much of that money went into shareholders pockets but such is the world we live in. As I've said many times I believe that R&D and production of life saving medicines should be conducted on a not for profit basis and by my preference would be done by publicly owned institutions and enterprises. At least AZ which is what I had were doing theirs at cost. If it wasn't that it'd be to the energy companies or BAE and the military industrial... either way it wouldn't be staying in my pocket.

[markusmod]

Some people can't get natural immunity, like old people or those with bad immunity.