I liked your defence, it looked like you have things pretty covered. One of the problems I have is I put up a tight guard and move but I don't ever try and catch or block, I just either dodge or absorb and I really need to work on that I think. As for whoever it is up there saying about the coach working more than you, who cares? You're learning boxing, that's why you have the gloves and he has the pads, I hope all coaches work harder because that way the student is always outmatched until finally he's not and thus has become a good boxer. So who cares if the coach is working more so long as you're working too. And as for him saying put on more power, on pads you're not really supposed to, you practice the punch, the speed etc and not try and take off their hand, you do power on the bags, so ignore him.
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Originally posted by jberg View Posti think its just that you have to be a great boxer to use it effectively. its rarely done in amature boxing for a reason
I am a firm believer that every right hand needs to be countered with a stiff jab down the center, an thats what I do. Consequently, I rarely have a need to use the Philly shell.
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Originally posted by !! Shawn View PostI do not utilize it much in amateur fights, I am simply a believer in sharpening every tool in your bag so that if you ever need it, it is there for you.
I am a firm believer that every right hand needs to be countered with a stiff jab down the center, an thats what I do. Consequently, I rarely have a need to use the Philly shell.
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Originally posted by Evil_Meat View Postid say counter a right with a left hook, not a jab. The jab is used for a ****load of things and the hook should be used at some point, and if you can counter someones right with a jab then you should be hooking instead IMO. If i tried to land a right hand on u and i took a small jab i doubt it would have much of an influence on the judges compared to how its only a little bit harder to land the hook in that situation... and someone with good defense is likely to get out of the way after the jab so might as well make it count and hurt by hooking
It is not a punch where I block the right hand either. I jab at the same time, but inside the right hand, pushing it outside and over my shoulder while my jab finds a nice home on your face.
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Originally posted by !! Shawn View PostCountering a right hand with a left hook exposes your chin. Just ask Mike "MachineGun" Oliver why that is not a good idea. Also, my jab is not a small jab. As a natural southpaw (even though I am ambidextrous), my jab is a bazooka. I guarantee you will not be throwing right hands at me any more after taking a few of my counter jabs to the chin.
It is not a punch where I block the right hand either. I jab at the same time, but inside the right hand, pushing it outside and over my shoulder while my jab finds a nice home on your face.Last edited by Evil_Meat; 05-10-2008, 01:03 PM.
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Originally posted by Evil_Meat View Postmaybe that is the case for some people, but I would NEVER stop throwing right hands from getting countered by a stiff jab... I've taken a few TREMENDOUS punches from my 240 pound trainer because of being seriously hurt to the body and that did not stop me from throwing more punches. I do see what you're saying about the left hook leaving you're jaw open because i do see that exact case happen but if you're jab is like a bazooka thats great because most people don't jab hard because in the ams you don't get awarded very much for jabs in general. Personally i'll take the risk of landing a hard left hook over someone's right because I've always had success with it and my chin is always tucked.
Honestly though, I don't care how good your chin is, or if you keep throwing no matter what. My jab is stiff enough to knock you off balance and prevent you from throwing any follow up shots. I have also never had a right hand land when I threw my counter jab.
I have dropped more than 1 person with the counter jab when they load up on a right hand and really come forward on it. Walking yourself into one of my power jabs is not a very good idea.
When my knuckle heals I will make a video showing my power jab.
As for people wanting to see my sparring. That is not going to happen. As an active amateur, the last thing I want is to give people a way to prepare to fight me.
My sparring is not very exciting. I am very methodical. I take my time and take away all your tools until you basically stand in front of me trying to think of a way to get past my defense and counter punching.
That is when I crank up the offense.
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Originally posted by !! Shawn View PostPlease elaborate.
Slipping the right or simply moving the back foot is a much better option, since they'll also set up counter opportunities.
On that subject, I'd like you to elaborate on your comment on how countering the right with a left hook leaves your chin open as opposed to throwing a jab?
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Originally posted by !! Shawn View PostThe hook comes after the jab. If they are winding up with a huge hay maker, I will throw a lead hook, or even better, I will sneak in an uppercut, but at the level that I fight and spar, people are rarely sloppy enough to throw those kinds of looping shots.
Honestly though, I don't care how good your chin is, or if you keep throwing no matter what. My jab is stiff enough to knock you off balance and prevent you from throwing any follow up shots. I have also never had a right hand land when I threw my counter jab.
I have dropped more than 1 person with the counter jab when they load up on a right hand and really come forward on it. Walking yourself into one of my power jabs is not a very good idea.
When my knuckle heals I will make a video showing my power jab.
As for people wanting to see my sparring. That is not going to happen. As an active amateur, the last thing I want is to give people a way to prepare to fight me.
My sparring is not very exciting. I am very methodical. I take my time and take away all your tools until you basically stand in front of me trying to think of a way to get past my defense and counter punching.
That is when I crank up the offense.
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Originally posted by PunchDrunk View PostWell, your coach is letting you off the hook, because he could/should be hitting you with those rights when you lean away with your left down. Even if you do avoid the first right coming, you're now on your backfoot, meaning you can't really move away anymore, your left is down and you're left with nowhere to move except into the next right hand coming over the top. You do have one choice; after (hopefully) evading the first right, you can now put your head between your legs, PBF style. That **** might fly in the pro's when you're p4p #1 defensive wizard, but in the ams you'll get warned, penalized and finally dq'ed for it.
Slipping the right or simply moving the back foot is a much better option, since they'll also set up counter opportunities.
On that subject, I'd like you to elaborate on your comment on how countering the right with a left hook leaves your chin open as opposed to throwing a jab?
With the jab you bring your shoulder up to your chin, covering your chin, you take the center, pushing the right hand OUTSIDE your jab and shoulder, protecting your chin and taking the inside giving you a strait road to their chin.
I am not talking about blocking and countering or slipping and countering, a left hook is well suited to those. I am talking about throwing at the SAME time that they do.
As to being open to a second right hand. It looks like it, but it is not there. He use to throw those at me, but gave up after having no success. I do not know if you watched my shadow boxing video, but I have no problem getting down pernell whitaker style. I am a also very very good at judging distance, and even if I am pulled back, I am still capable of getting out of the way of the second punch. I understand what you are saying, but I am unusually flexible. What might look like I have nowhere left to go for a normal person is not so for me.
There are two possible follow up rights. A strait, or an overhand. if the over hand comes, I roll under it. If I am against the ropes and another strait right comes, I block with my right hand then duck incase a left hook is coming behind it.
I will make a video later on to demonstrate the true range of my movement, balance, and flexibility when it comes to evading shots.
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Originally posted by PunchDrunk View PostSounds like you're the reigning world champion? Doesn't look like it though...
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