Is Pacquiao the worst fantasy fighter of all time?

[IronDanHamza]

I dont believe that. Hes really not much different(skill wise) today than he was at featherweight. In fact, I think he changed very little since his days at 130. As evidence by the fact that he still is struggling with Marquez, even despite the fact that Marquez is older and worse.

people go on about "Oh, but his body punching and counter punching..!" when in reality you can see him attacking the body very early in his career against Ledwaba, and his counter right hook is in full use in the Morales rematches.

Its just a myth that hes grown so much, because people think that its a big deal to fight guys that are bigger than you. Reality is that being bigger has its advantages, but its far from the end all be all, since smaller guys often have advantages too.
Pacquiao from the 2nd Marquez fight wouldve done the same thing to Cotto that Pacquiao from the Cotto fight would have.

Great post, couldn't agree with you more here.

I think it's mainly because people didn't see Pac as a youngster, and just go with the crowd.

Other's sell 'Young Pac' very short, calling him one handed, no skills, just a swining brawler. I mean, that's bull****.

People forget it's coming up to a decade since he beat the living hell out of Barrera. You don't beat Barrera like that with one hand and no skills what so ever.

I've been ****ing on since 2008 that Pacquaio hasn't improved his skills or right hand, he really hasn't. It's been good for a long long time. And you used great examples with the Morales fights.

Thankfully, the third Marquez fight made it very apparent.

[IronDanHamza]

It's kind of unfair to rate him against only the ATG fighters at welterweight, it's not really his natural weight class. Better fantasy fights would be against Featherweights (naseem hamed) or lightweights (Whitaker, Chavez, Duran, Mosley) Even Tzyu or Pryor at 140.

Floyd loses to a lot of the ATG welterweights as well.

Great post.

People don't seem to understand this reasoning.

[IronDanHamza]

Struggled against Buchanan? Duran destroyed Buchanan. He had never been 'beaten' up to that point, apart from that horrible hometown decision that went against him in Venezuela, and Duran won nearly every round and beat the breaks off him. 99% of other fighters would have been done in that fight. Buchanan was classic Scot, apart from his beautiful boxing skill, in that he was as tough a fighter as you'll ever see. He took a brutal pounding in that fight.

I don't see where people get their **** from.

Buchanan was an excellent fighter one of the elite Lightweight's of that era. Shame Duran was around to hog the spotlight.

Duran had him pissing blood for weeks. Due to the low blow of course but he was putting a beating on him up to that point.

[Steak]

Great post, couldn't agree with you more here.

I think it's mainly because people didn't see Pac as a youngster, and just go with the crowd.

Other's sell 'Young Pac' very short, calling him one handed, no skills, just a swining brawler. I mean, that's bull****.

People forget it's coming up to a decade since he beat the living hell out of Barrera. You don't beat Barrera like that with one hand and no skills what so ever.

I've been ****ing on since 2008 that Pacquaio hasn't improved his skills or right hand, he really hasn't. It's been good for a long long time. And you used great examples with the Morales fights.

Thankfully, the third Marquez fight made it very apparent.

haha, I like Pacquiao a lot as a fighter, but I find myself rooting against him sometimes to do badly just to keep the boxing community in check, since they love to overrate/underrate/overexaggerate fighters in general based on what happened recently.

Unfortunately now because of the Marquez performance, of course everyone has gone 180 and are making out Pacquiao to be some average fighter

I really dont think people have even fully watched young Pacquiao when they make those statements. Hell, he showed both the counter right hook and lots of body attack in the first Morales fight, he even hurt Morales to the body in the 1st round...youd think people would have gotten at least that far into the fight to notice these things :/

[turbotime]

Great post.

People don't seem to understand this reasoning.

Me neither. It'd be like ranking Tito against only the best 160 lb'ers, or Leonard too.

[IronDanHamza]

Me neither. It'd be like ranking Tito against only the best 160 lb'ers, or Leonard too.

Exactly.

People don't realise that's it's an unfair comparison to rank fighters like that who are unatural at the weight against natural ATG's at the weight.

Yeah we see Pacquaio and Mayweather beat today's natural WW's and beat them well. But beating ATG natural WW's is a whole different story.

[Sin City]

this **** has been said so many times and i keep tekllking you ppl the same thing.

pac gets fairly evaluated in ever fantasy matchup, its just his ******ed fans who think hes the best ever and have no knowledge of boxing history and pit him against fighters nobody today would defeat.

so pac would lose to hearns, leonard, whitaker and duran? so would every other active fighter. its just that other active fighters fans arent too ******ed to realize it.

put pacquiao in a reasonable fantasy matchup and he has a good chance of coming out on top.

I think because they are retired and past greats people see them more favorably.. they forget that many had bumps in the road in their records and that they are human.
I wouldn't doubt Pacquiao could beat some of the past greats.. his size.
It's ******ed to put him against Hearns, Hagler and other dudes of that size though..

[turbotime]

Exactly.

People don't realise that's it's an unfair comparison to rank fighters like that who are unatural at the weight against natural ATG's at the weight.

Yeah we see Pacquaio and Mayweather beat today's natural WW's and beat them well. But beating ATG natural WW's is a whole different story.

Yeah it is. What is the point of a fantasy fight if both fighters aren't at their most effective weights? These head to heads at welter are clearly just agenda pushers looking to cast negative light on the fighters.

I saw a "10 welterweights that would kick Mayweather's butt" list over at maxboxing I believe. Huge eyeroll for that one.