Comments Thread For: Deontay Wilder takes apart Tyrell Anthony Herndon

[Bennyleonard99]

Wilder might be able to beat a heavy bag. He'd be the odds on favorite but the heavy bag is a live underdog.

[Bennyleonard99]

It's remarkable how Wilder suddenly isn't gun-shy anymore when he has a club fighter in front of him. Still, it really must have been his personal demons that prevented him from throwing punches against Parker and Zhang like he said. That cheater Tyson Fury and his egg weights destroying his confidence, the ayahuasca trips, the shoulder injuries, the boxing industry being out to get him etc, etc. His worst performances can definitely all be attributed to those factors alone and not at all to the step up in quality of opposition, which was purely coincidental.

And what a chin on Herndon! I mean we're talking about the hardest puncher in boxing history here. The man who only needs one right hand and it's over. He landed plenty yet somehow Herndon never looked hurt once. In the end he only succumbed to a combination of tiredness and not being arsed to carry on anymore. Remarkable chin though. Oliver McCall would be proud.



Franklin would be one of Wilder's better wins. Let that sink in.

Wilder is not anywhere close to an all time hard hitter. That was all hype propaganda to fool you. He can only beat PBC hired patsies.

[Phase III]

Wilders legs resemble the fuse of a fire cracker, and he once had fire cracker power. He has never had skill and the power is gone like a dud. As shot a fighter as he is, Shelly Finkel will pimp him for another payday. AJ, who can’t take a punch and fights like a deer in headlights, is another shot fighter doing night duty for his pump Eddie Hearn. Finkel and Hearn don’t have a effin care for their shot fighters as long as they can continue pimping them for another check.

[BoxingOutlaw]

Wilder is not anywhere close to an all time hard hitter. That was all hype propaganda to fool you. He can only beat PBC hired patsies.

He knocked Fury down 4 times. If had Emanuel Stewart as a trainer his entire career he would undefeated still.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Wilder looked kind of ok for the first 4 rounds when he was focused on his jab. But when he started going for it, trying to get rid of Herndon, all the old faults showed up again, made worse by the natural deterioration of age and wear and tear from hard fights.

I don't understand how anybody could be in boxing for 20+ years without learning basic fundamental things like moving your legs and upper body together, instead of lunging forward, leaving your feet behind, then tripping over them or overbalancing when you try to adjust. Like not smothering your own work by rushing in too fast with your punches, leaving no space to land them cleanly.

I also don't understand why, whenever he gains weight, it all ends up on his chest and shoulders, leaving him top heavy on skinny legs and making his bad balance even worse. Has Jay Deas never thought about getting him a S&C coach to sort that body imbalance out? Or is Wilder just too stubborn and head strong to try something like that? I remember Mark Breland saying that Deontay was basically untrainable, because of his refusal to take advice from his training team.

He achieved a lot in his career with natural speed, explosive power and ferocity, combined with very careful match-making. But he could have been so much better, and achieved so much more.

Yeah, if Wilder was a little more trainable, he would have been something like Ajagba. A solid hw with a very solid jab.

I understand he is a late starter, but, as you said, the guy is in boxing 20 years and he still has very poor basics.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Another good post.
I understand the idea of being an unapologetic Anthony Joshua fan.

I am too.
I have posted hyperbolic and critical statements about him, admittedly; but only for the purpose of countering misguided, ill-informed insults some less than sharp fans had conjured up about Wilder, whose trail is littered with the corpses of title aspirants with "higher ring IQ".

People who are casual fans of the sport don't seem capable of grasping the extraordinary nature of a top 10 Heavyweight boxer; much like racing fans screeming "Come on you Nag!!!" At one of the world's top 3 year old thoroughbreds at the track.

It's too easy to become a skilled tradesman or a degreed office worker to truly understand that level of exceptionalism.


One idiot here claims that he has acquaintances "who would scare Wilder ". Given what it takes to be a 40 million dollar fighter, it's FAR more likely that he shoots hoops with guys who are better than the players in the NBA.


The fight is too distanced from its 2015 - 2020 zenith to accurately guage who might have won between prime time Wilder and Joshua, but it would still serve as an era rank placing event. And a fight drawing in our passions.


For years, I wrote boxing coverage and history, and while I enjoy sharing some perspectives on a message board today, I miss not having to read the claptrap responses from fans; who were never credited with being especially smart.

The way both Anthony Joshua's and Deontay Wilder's team need to manage their situations is very similar 'Neither Joshua or Wilder, really have much left to prove in the game. Whether this is to their fellow competitors, the boxing community or casual sports fans'.

They have already achieved feats at the very top, at every single level of the sport. Anthony Joshua was the 2012 Olympic Champion, and Deontay Wilder was the 2008 Olympic Bronze medallist. And then both fighters have played star roles in this heavyweight era, as they are two out of the three Heavyweight Mountains of this era. Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua, and Deontay Wilder are the three Heavyweight mountains, and major characters of this boxing era'.

Note: I have stated this before? If this Heavyweight boxing era was ever made into a cinematic piece then 'Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder are the main characters. All the major story lines and catalytic moments of this heavyweight era have all involved them. Oleksandr Uysk may have became the Undisputed Champion, but? In my opinion he benefited from the opportune time that he entered into the Heavyweight Division. By the time Uysk entered into the Heavyweight Division, Fury, Joshua and Wilder in combination had already cleared out the entire Heavyweight Division. And arguable all three Heavyweight mountains were outside of their fighting peak, or enduring extremely vulnerable times in their career'.

If Oleksandr Uysk would have entered the Heavyweight Divisions just a few years early 'His path towards winning a Heavyweight title, may not have been so straight forward. Uysk would have potentially been colliding with a better version of Derek Chisora and Anthony Joshua. Even if he was able to win those fights, there is definitive evidence that he may have sustained heavy damage'.

This is no disrespect to Oleksandr Uysk 'But for those reasons, I honestly can never refer to him as one of the three Heavyweight Mountains of this era. Oleksandr Uysk is the most accomplished active fighter in the entire sport, and his two wins vs both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua are? Pound for pound two of the most impressive wins of the past 15 years'.

But when I speak of the Heavyweight Division 'And this Heavyweight era which is progressing through its latter stages. It has ultimately been the era of Tyson Fury, Anthony Joshua and Deontay Wilder'.

To conclude: When you really think about it fights vs Joseph Parker and Zhilei Zhang stylistically were terrible match ups for Wilder 'I honestly believe potential fights against Andy Ruiz Junior, Jermaine Franklin, are big fight opportunities for Wilder where he has a lot to gain from a win. I don't personally think Deontay Wilder's recent performance was great, but at least he achieved a win'.

And as I have stated before? Out of both Tyson Fury and Deontay Wilder 'I fully expect Wilder to be more game in fighting Anthony Joshua. This is already being proven, as Deontay Wilder is at the very least currently right now talking about a potential fight with Anthony Joshua. Tyson Fury in comparison has tactically retired in my opinion, to once again avoid fighting Anthony Joshua' etc.

[Bennyleonard99]

He knocked Fury down 4 times. If had Emanuel Stewart as a trainer his entire career he would undefeated still.

Steward knows boxing talent and never was impressed by Wilder. He saw Wilder get flattened for the ten count in sparring by a Klitschko jab. Fury was totally shot already, even in the first Wilder fight. Fury was the natural talent who if he took care of his body and had Hopkins discipline could have been the goat. All Wilder could do is throw a right hand which any good fighter could offset and avoid. Wilder never had anything else, limited athleticism and limited brain capacity. A total protected fabricated fraud pretender, just another Seth Mitchell with better management.

[jas]

They say power is the last thing to go

And wilders power didnt look as it once was

[Willow The Wisp]

It's remarkable how Wilder suddenly isn't gun-shy anymore when he has a club fighter in front of him. Still, it really must have been his personal demons that prevented him from throwing punches against Parker and Zhang like he said. That cheater Tyson Fury and his egg weights destroying his confidence, the ayahuasca trips, the shoulder injuries, the boxing industry being out to get him etc, etc. His worst performances can definitely all be attributed to those factors alone and not at all to the step up in quality of opposition, which was purely coincidental.

And what a chin on Herndon! I mean we're talking about the hardest puncher in boxing history here. The man who only needs one right hand and it's over. He landed plenty yet somehow Herndon never looked hurt once. In the end he only succumbed to a combination of tiredness and not being arsed to carry on anymore. Remarkable chin though. Oliver McCall would be proud.



Franklin would be one of Wilder's better wins. Let that sink in.

In November, Deontay Wilder underwent extensive repair of his chronically injured right shoulder, consisting of rotator cuff rebuilding, to stabilize the group of four muscles and the connected tendons which hold the arm and shoulder together, to stabilize the shoulder, and allow for wide range of motion for the arm.
This indeed occurred, and addressed issues that, more than his opponents ability, influenced the outcome of his two poor performances, against Parker and Zhang.

Now we don't all support all fighters. This we know.
But the frequent denigrating of one of the five most successful heavyweights of this century, a quarter over now (the others being Lennox Lewis, Wladimir Klitschko, Tyson Fury and Oleksandr Usyk); can only be explained by overt racism, or the envy of American exceptionalism.

Both Joseph Parker and Zhilei Zhang are superb pugilists, but nether one show a career history which places them in Wilder's class.

It should be accepted, even by the most bigoted and America-fearing boxing fan, that Wilder lost to no one who wasn't the sitting Heavyweight Champion of the world, before he reached an age (38 years, 2 months, 1 day) when almost all fighters throughout history had very little left.

No other holder of any heavyweight belt in this century performed any better at that late stage; and without question, after 2 knockouts over undefeated top ranked Luis "King Kong" Ortiz, a draw and two epic encounters with singular world champion Fury, did Parker or Zhang represent some "step up in quality of opposition".
And neither would Anthony Joshua, the odd man out in this era's heavyweight class.

[Someone88]

Decent win for Wilder!