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To be honest, is Crawford any good?
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Crawford sucks.
Hagler sucks because he never moved up in weight.
Inoue sucks because he fights mostly in Japan.
Ali and Robinson were hype jobs.
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Originally posted by BustedKnuckles View Post
Did you copy that from somewhere or write it yourself? That's an impressive breakdown, and I think it answers the question with certainty.
Naoya Inoue:
W vs #10 Ryoichi Taguchi UD 10 (future WBA/IBF/Ring 108)
W vs #1 Adrian Hernandez TKO 6 (fmr. and reigning WBC 108)
W vs #1 Omar Narvaez KO 2 (fmr. WBO 112; reigning WBO 115)
W vs #8 Kohei Kono TKO 6 (fmr. 2X WBA 112)
W vs #5 Jamie McDonnell TKO 1 (fmr. IBF 118)
W vs #5 Juan Carlos Payano KO 1 (fmr. WBA 118)
W vs #6 Emmanuel Rodriguez KO 2 (reigning and future IBF 118)
W vs #4 Nonito Donaire UD 12 (fmr. IBF 112; WBC/WBO 118; WBO/IBF 122; WBA 126; WBO 122; reigning WBA 118; future WBC 118)
W vs #8 Jason Moloney KO 7 (future WBO 118)
W vs #2 Nonito Donaire TKO 2 (fmr. IBF 112; WBC/WBO 118; WBO/IBF 122; WBA 126; WBO 122; WBA 118; reigning WBC 118)
W vs #8 Paul Butler KO 11 (fmr. IBF 118; reigning WBO 118)
W vs #1 Stephen Fulton TKO 8 (reigning WBC/WBO 122)
W vs #2 Marlon Tapales KO 10 (reigning WBA/IBF 122)
W vs #3 Luis Nery KO 6 (fmr. WBC 118; WBC 122)
Other notable victories: Petchbarngborn Kokietgym, Antonio Nieves, Michael Dasmarinas
14-0 vs top 10
9-0 vs top 5
5-0 vs #1 (or #2 if Inoue was #1)
14-0 vs fighters that won a legitimate world title
8-0 vs reigning world titlists
6-0 in unification fights
20-0 in world title fights (not counting WBA Regular)
4-0 in lineal world championship fights
27-0-0-0 overall record, 24 KOs
108: WBC
112: (none)
115: WBO
118: Lineal/TBRB, Ring, WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO undisputed
122: Lineal/TBRB, Ring, WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO undisputed
2 division lineal world champion
2 division undisputed world champion
4 division world titlist
Oleksandr Usyk
W vs #2 Krzysztof Glowacki UD 12 (reigning and future WBO cruiserweight)
W vs #10 Marco Huck TKO 10 (fmr. WBO crusierweight)
W vs #6 Mairis Briedis MD 12 (reigning WBC cruiserweight; future WBO cruiserweight; IBF/Ring/TBRB/lineal cruiserweight)
W vs #2 Murat Gassiev UD 12 (reigning WBA/IBF cruiserweight)
W vs Tony Bellew KO 8 (fmr. WBC cruiserweight)
W vs #1 Anthony Joshua UD 12 (fmr. and reigning WBA/IBF/WBO heavyweight)
W vs #2 Anthony Joshua SD 12 (fmr. 2X WBA/IBF/WBO heavyweight)
W vs #1 Tyson Fury SD 12 (fmr. WBA/IBF/WBO/2X Ring/2X TBRB, reigning WBC/lineal heavyweight)
Other notable victories: Thabiso Mchunu, Michael Hunter, Derek Chisora, Daniel Dubois
7-0 vs top 10
5-0 vs top 5
4-0 vs #1 (or #2 if Usyk was #1)
8-0 vs fighters that won a legitimate world title
5-0 vs reigning world titlists
3-0 in unification fights
11-0 in world title fights
3-0 in lineal world championship fights
22-0-0-0 overall record, 14 KOs
Cruiserweight: Lineal/TBRB, Ring, WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO undisputed
Heavyweight: Lineal/TBRB, Ring, WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO undisputed (plus IBO)
2 division lineal world champion
2 division undisputed world champion
2 division world titlist
Notable achievement:
Usyk is 10-0 in his opponents' home countries and 4-0 on neutral ground, including 2-0 vs favored fighter in Saudi ArabiaBustedKnuckles likes this.
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Originally posted by famicommander View Post
I compiled it myself. I also did one for Inoue and Usyk.
Naoya Inoue:
W vs #10 Ryoichi Taguchi UD 10 (future WBA/IBF/Ring 108)
W vs #1 Adrian Hernandez TKO 6 (fmr. and reigning WBC 108)
W vs #1 Omar Narvaez KO 2 (fmr. WBO 112; reigning WBO 115)
W vs #8 Kohei Kono TKO 6 (fmr. 2X WBA 112)
W vs #5 Jamie McDonnell TKO 1 (fmr. IBF 118)
W vs #5 Juan Carlos Payano KO 1 (fmr. WBA 118)
W vs #6 Emmanuel Rodriguez KO 2 (reigning and future IBF 118)
W vs #4 Nonito Donaire UD 12 (fmr. IBF 112; WBC/WBO 118; WBO/IBF 122; WBA 126; WBO 122; reigning WBA 118; future WBC 118)
W vs #8 Jason Moloney KO 7 (future WBO 118)
W vs #2 Nonito Donaire TKO 2 (fmr. IBF 112; WBC/WBO 118; WBO/IBF 122; WBA 126; WBO 122; WBA 118; reigning WBC 118)
W vs #8 Paul Butler KO 11 (fmr. IBF 118; reigning WBO 118)
W vs #1 Stephen Fulton TKO 8 (reigning WBC/WBO 122)
W vs #2 Marlon Tapales KO 10 (reigning WBA/IBF 122)
W vs #3 Luis Nery KO 6 (fmr. WBC 118; WBC 122)
Other notable victories: Petchbarngborn Kokietgym, Antonio Nieves, Michael Dasmarinas
14-0 vs top 10
9-0 vs top 5
5-0 vs #1 (or #2 if Inoue was #1)
14-0 vs fighters that won a legitimate world title
8-0 vs reigning world titlists
6-0 in unification fights
20-0 in world title fights (not counting WBA Regular)
4-0 in lineal world championship fights
27-0-0-0 overall record, 24 KOs
108: WBC
112: (none)
115: WBO
118: Lineal/TBRB, Ring, WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO undisputed
122: Lineal/TBRB, Ring, WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO undisputed
2 division lineal world champion
2 division undisputed world champion
4 division world titlist
Oleksandr Usyk
W vs #2 Krzysztof Glowacki UD 12 (reigning and future WBO cruiserweight)
W vs #10 Marco Huck TKO 10 (fmr. WBO crusierweight)
W vs #6 Mairis Briedis MD 12 (reigning WBC cruiserweight; future WBO cruiserweight; IBF/Ring/TBRB/lineal cruiserweight)
W vs #2 Murat Gassiev UD 12 (reigning WBA/IBF cruiserweight)
W vs Tony Bellew KO 8 (fmr. WBC cruiserweight)
W vs #1 Anthony Joshua UD 12 (fmr. and reigning WBA/IBF/WBO heavyweight)
W vs #2 Anthony Joshua SD 12 (fmr. 2X WBA/IBF/WBO heavyweight)
W vs #1 Tyson Fury SD 12 (fmr. WBA/IBF/WBO/2X Ring/2X TBRB, reigning WBC/lineal heavyweight)
Other notable victories: Thabiso Mchunu, Michael Hunter, Derek Chisora, Daniel Dubois
7-0 vs top 10
5-0 vs top 5
4-0 vs #1 (or #2 if Usyk was #1)
8-0 vs fighters that won a legitimate world title
5-0 vs reigning world titlists
3-0 in unification fights
11-0 in world title fights
3-0 in lineal world championship fights
22-0-0-0 overall record, 14 KOs
Cruiserweight: Lineal/TBRB, Ring, WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO undisputed
Heavyweight: Lineal/TBRB, Ring, WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO undisputed (plus IBO)
2 division lineal world champion
2 division undisputed world champion
2 division world titlist
Notable achievement:
Usyk is 10-0 in his opponents' home countries and 4-0 on neutral ground, including 2-0 vs favored fighter in Saudi Arabia
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Originally posted by famicommander View PostTBRB rankings used; "world titlist" means top champion of the Ring/WBA/WBC/IBF/WBO; no interim, regular, IBO, diamond, gold nonsense
Terence Crawford:
W vs #3 Ricky Burns UD 12 (fmr. WBO 130; reigning WBO 135; future WBA 140)
W vs #7 Yuriorkis Gamboa TKO 9 (fmr. WBA/IBF 126)
W vs #2 Raymundo Beltran UD 12 (future WBO 135)
W vs #9 Thomas Dulorme TKO 6
W vs #1 Viktor Postol UD 12 (reigning WBC 140)
W vs #3 John Molina TKO 8
W vs #9 Felix Diaz RTD 10 (Diaz ranked at 147, fight at 140)
W vs #1 Julius Indongo KO 3 (reigning WBA/IBF 140)
W vs #4 Jeff Horn TKO 9 (reigning WBO 147)
W vs Amir Khan TKO 6 (fmr. WBA/IBF 140)
W vs #10 Egidijus Kavaliauskas TKO 9
W vs Kell Brook TKO 4 (fmr. IBF 147)
W vs #4 Shawn Porter TKO 10 (fmr. IBF 147; WBC 147)
W vs #9 David Avanesyan KO 6
W vs #1 Errol Spence Jr. TKO 9 (reigning WBA/WBC/IBF 147)
Other notable victories: Breidis Prescott, Andrey Klimov, Dierry Jean, Hank Lundy, Jose Benavidez Jr
13-0 vs top 10
8-0 vs top 5
4-0 vs #1 (or #2 if Crawford was #1)
10-0 vs fighters that won a legitimate world title
5-0 vs reigning world titlists
3-0 in unification fights
18-0 in world title fights
6-0 in lineal world championship fights
40-0-0-0 overall record, 31 KOs
135: Lineal/TBRB, Ring, WBO
140: Lineal/TBRB, Ring, WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO undisputed
147: Lineal/TBRB, Ring, WBA, WBC, IBF, WBO undisputed
3 division lineal world champion
2 division undisputed world champion
3 division world titlist
One of only 9 men to be a lineal champion in 3 weight classes (Bob Fitzsimmons, Henry Armstrong, Barney Ross, Tony Canzoneri, Sugar Ray Leonard, Oscar De La Hoya, Floyd Mayweather Jr., Manny Pacquiao, Terence Crawford)
One of only 4 men in the 3 or 4 belt eras to be undisputed in 2 weight classes (Evander Holyfield [3 belt], Terence Crawford [4 belt], Naoya Inoue [4 belt], Oleksandr Usyk [4 belt])
Next fight:
vs #3 Israil Madrimov (reigning WBA 154; vacant WBO 154, WBC mandatory status at stake)
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He likely walks closer to 170 after his frame acclimated higher above lightweight with his optimal weight being 154-160. When he fought at 135 he likely walked around 150-160.
I think that of course he is a top fighter deseving of his p4p status and likely a HOF after winning in three divisions, also considering he came off dominating a undefeated champ like Spence while having beaten top contenders like Horn, Avanesyan, Kavaliuskas, Brook, Porter, and etc. Now he is fighting a champ at 154 against Madrimov. Think he is going to retire in the upcoming 2-3 years after fighting in few but eye catching fights for Turki.
He also seems to be overestimated to a degree by many as some view him above some greats that have accomplished more without him proving enough and being able to beat a champion that is 3 divisions above him despite that he shown a few shortcomings before winning a fight against Gamboa and Mean Machine who fought in the same divisions, the latter who comes closest stylistically to Canelo when it comes to counter punching.Last edited by Malvado; 05-30-2024, 07:57 PM.
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Originally posted by JakeTheBoxer View PostIs the guy walking around at 180 lbs, fights at welterweight good?
Be honest.
He smoked Spence in the biggest one sided boxing match since maybe Pacquiao-Hatton? Mayweather-Baldomir? Probably worse than those combined tbh.
There's no question about it. He's the real deal.
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