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    #11
    Bogeymen create interest and keep divisions alive. Cruiserweight and Middleweight are struggling now without one. Spence, Canelo, Benavidez Crawford, Boots, Mattias, Tank, Bam, Inoue generate huge interest in their divisions, but Wilder's exit will leave a gap at Heavyweight. He wasn't hype. He was a knockout artist, but the thing about having 40+ televised fights and sparring numerous fighters is that the word of your weaknesses gets out and sooner or later someone athletic enough comes along that can do the job or you get old. With Wilder gone, Zhang might be the next bogeyman for a while....let's hope. Kudos to Wilder man...t'was a great run after Lennox and the Klitchko's departed.

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      #12
      Wilder is mentally retired. He did not know (inside him) why he was there. He wasn't throwing punches, he didn't have (or follow) any game plan, and he simply looked like he was no longer in love with the game and willing to give it the time, energy, and dedication it required.

      Wilder won't be the first one to do that though. Ali wouldn't train as hard in his last few fights and was out of shape, conditioning, and perhaps showing early signs of health problems. Tyson quit on his stool in his last fight. And those two are the greatest names in HW boxing. Will Deontay be back? to collect a paycheck maybe but for him to be back in the mix would require a new desire to fight and go through hard work. I don't see him doing that at 38 for if he had that desire, he wouldn't have fought one fight in 2 years.
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        #13
        Originally posted by megh50 View Post
        Bogeymen create interest and keep divisions alive. Cruiserweight and Middleweight are struggling now without one. Spence, Canelo, Benavidez Crawford, Boots, Mattias, Tank, Bam, Inoue generate huge interest in their divisions, but Wilder's exit will leave a gap at Heavyweight. He wasn't hype. He was a knockout artist, but the thing about having 40+ televised fights and sparring numerous fighters is that the word of your weaknesses gets out and sooner or later someone athletic enough comes along that can do the job or you get old. With Wilder gone, Zhang might be the next bogeyman for a while....let's hope. Kudos to Wilder man...t'was a great run after Lennox and the Klitchko's departed.
        He has a 28 percent ko ratio against top 10 ranked opponents. He was not a ko artist. He just kod a bunch of weak opponents but boxingscenes motto has always been its easy to ko bums cause it's true. Wilders weakness was apparently good opponents which is why they tried to avoid them
        Last edited by daggum; 12-24-2023, 02:17 AM.

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          #14
          Originally posted by Zelda View Post
          Wilder is mentally retired. He did not know (inside him) why he was there. He wasn't throwing punches, he didn't have (or follow) any game plan, and he simply looked like he was no longer in love with the game and willing to give it the time, energy, and dedication it required.

          Wilder won't be the first one to do that though. Ali wouldn't train as hard in his last few fights and was out of shape, conditioning, and perhaps showing early signs of health problems. Tyson quit on his stool in his last fight. And those two are the greatest names in HW boxing. Will Deontay be back? to collect a paycheck maybe but for him to be back in the mix would require a new desire to fight and go through hard work. I don't see him doing that at 38 for if he had that desire, he wouldn't have fought one fight in 2 years.
          Ali and Tyson had great careers though, they really had nothing to prove when they lost their last couple. Their legacies were set in stone win or lose. Wilder was operating mostly on hype and fantasy greatness, he has no real resume to fall back on. For Ali and Tyson you say well they don't have it anymore, for Wilder you say did he ever have it...

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            #15
            Originally posted by megh50 View Post
            Bogeymen create interest and keep divisions alive. Cruiserweight and Middleweight are struggling now without one. Spence, Canelo, Benavidez Crawford, Boots, Mattias, Tank, Bam, Inoue generate huge interest in their divisions, but Wilder's exit will leave a gap at Heavyweight. He wasn't hype. He was a knockout artist, but the thing about having 40+ televised fights and sparring numerous fighters is that the word of your weaknesses gets out and sooner or later someone athletic enough comes along that can do the job or you get old. With Wilder gone, Zhang might be the next bogeyman for a while....let's hope. Kudos to Wilder man...t'was a great run after Lennox and the Klitchko's departed.
            ko artist? With the exception of a old past his prime Ortiz - the rest of Wilder’s supposed historic ko’s were against nothing but tomato cans and cherry-picks. Only fought 3 legit top hw and only ko’d one. Line up the same list of bums(pre-Ortiz) for Foreman, Lewis, Aj, Vitali and they easily would have the same ko percentage.

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              #16
              Wilder was always going to find it hard against a fighter with a chin who was highly ranked. Now Wilder can't go down in history as one of hardest punches ever.
              But he can fight another few times against weak chin guys and he will be ok. How about against josh who people thought wilder ko s in 1 round? Maybe DDD who has weak face?

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                #17
                Originally posted by Szef
                He sounds like he doesn't have it in him anymore.
                That’s bc he’s still in Saudi …..wait until he’s on the plane going home he’ll be claiming he should have won and Parker will run ,this guy is the biggest double talker I’ve ever seen . Lol
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                  #18
                  Originally posted by IRONCHINHAGLER View Post
                  ko artist? With the exception of a old past his prime Ortiz - the rest of Wilder’s supposed historic ko’s were against nothing but tomato cans and cherry-picks. Only fought 3 legit top hw and only ko’d one. Line up the same list of bums(pre-Ortiz) for Foreman, Lewis, Aj, Vitali and they easily would have the same ko percentage.
                  Ko ratio against opponents who were in the top 10(ring) at the time of the fight


                  ali-50% 18 out of 36
                  lewis-53% 8 out of 15
                  fury-60% 3 out of 5
                  vitali klit-75% 6 out of 8
                  wlad klit-53% 7 out of 13
                  joshua-50% 5 out of 10
                  tyson-53% 8 out of 15
                  wilder-28% 2 out of 7

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                    #19
                    On that Wilder will be back there’s to much money still to leave even though he knew the Joshua fight was signed if he got past Parker , his ego will resurface at some point and he’s still probably mad he was on the undercard of Joshua . Instead of taking his own advice and focusing on his own fight all he did was think and talk about Joshua which was one of many problems heading towards this loss .
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by daggum View Post

                      Ali and Tyson had great careers though, they really had nothing to prove when they lost their last couple. Their legacies were set in stone win or lose. Wilder was operating mostly on hype and fantasy greatness, he has no real resume to fall back on. For Ali and Tyson you say well they don't have it anymore, for Wilder you say did he ever have it...
                      Wilder is Wilder and I am not comparing his skill set to anyone, let alone Ali or Tyson.

                      What I am comparing here is the desire to fight, to go through hard camps, to have that hunger, and that spark inside you that comes with the love of the game. Sure Wilder had the desire in him to fight and to be champion, to put in the hard work in camps, to have regular fights, and to eat, breathe, and sleep boxing. Are you saying Wilder never had the desire to fight?

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