Why Holyfield is a difficult match-up for Tyson.

[NoConcoms]

I think it boils down to two things in their first fight;

1)Holyfield was able to absorb some shots from Tyson that would have knocked out 99.9% of the human population.

And

2)He was able to time Mike coming in. Which he did, when he knocked Mike down in the 7th with a massive body shot to the sternum. Then he landed a beautiful counter in the 10th, because Mike left his straight up in the air after missing.

And let us not forget; Holyfield DID headbutt quite a bit in this fight. So much so, that it would be hard to say it wasn't intentional.

Regardless, he fought a heck of a fight, and won. And nobody thought he would win that fight.

[The D3vil]

Basically the same as everyone else from that era.
Holyfield on steroids is better than tyson on steroids.

We have proof of Holyfield on steroids

We have no proof of Tyson on steroids.

And Tyson failed drug tests, but for marijuana not steroids.

[YGriffith]

We have proof of Holyfield on steroids

We have no proof of Tyson on steroids.

And Tyson failed drug tests, but for marijuana not steroids.

Tyson admitted to cheating on tests, no reason to believe he wasnt also doing steroids in secret.

If you give a pass to Mike and claim he's natural, you should do the same with Holyfield since he never failed a test either.

[StarshipTrooper]

We have proof of Holyfield on steroids

We have no proof of Tyson on steroids.

And Tyson failed drug tests, but for marijuana not steroids.

You have to be pretty fucking naive to think ANY FIGHTER from that era wasn't on PEDs If they fought from the '90s onward, as far as I'm concerned, they're ALL juiced to the gills until proven innocent (hint: Will never happen).....

[Pugilist89]

Basically the same as everyone else from that era.
Holyfield on steroids is better than tyson on steroids.

He wasn't just on roids. It was growth hormones

[Pugilist89]

If you give a pass to Mike and claim he's natural, you should do the same with Holyfield since he never failed a test either.

Would it make sense for a guy who had an adult body age 13 to take growth hormones?

[YGriffith]

Would it make sense for a guy who had an adult body age 13 to take growth hormones?

Cus could've been pumping him with steroids for all we know, and the Evan fields thing was in 2004 anyways, 7-8 years after the tyson fights.

And yes it would make sense for any top Athlete to take steroids since everyone's cheating.

[Pugilist89]

Cus could've been pumping him with steroids for all we know

No. That's how Tyson looked when he arrived.

And the Evan fields thing was in 2004 anyways, 7-8 years after the tyson fights.

And yes it would make sense for any top Athlete to take steroids since everyone's cheating.

We've all seen the steroid shoulders of HW Holyfield who wasn't a big guy. Tyson may have taken steroids but he did not take growth hormones, since he was already an oversized smaller dude.

Steorids doesn't give you a better pucnh though and Holyfield was a great puncher. Not a murderous puncher but really good boxing fundamentals. Not the best defense though..he said himself he got hit a lot..

[The D3vil]

Tyson admitted to cheating on tests, no reason to believe he wasnt also doing steroids in secret.

If you give a pass to Mike and claim he's natural, you should do the same with Holyfield since he never failed a test either.

Okay, where's the proof.

Mike was 200lbs of muscle at 12 years old and was breaking grown mens' ribs at 13.

Holyfield went from 175-220 in a few years.

I'm not saying Tyson never did anything, but his physique never drastically changed AND he never tested positive or got caught in a steroid scandal.

Holyfield got caught in a steroid scandal AND had a heart problem directly associated with steroid usage.

[The D3vil]

You have to be pretty ***********ing naive to think ANY FIGHTER from that era wasn't on PEDs If they fought from the '90s onward, as far as I'm concerned, they're ALL juiced to the gills until proven innocent (hint: Will never happen).....

I'm American.

We're innocent until proven guilty here.

Tyson failed drug tests, so he wasn't that smart, but never for PEDs.

He was 200lbs of pure muscle at 12, which is why Bobby Stewart took him to Cus.