Frank Bruno vs James Douglas

[Mintcar923]

Both famous Tyson foes are at their best this night.. Who wins and how?

[Rusty Tromboni]

At their best Bruno looks completely lost.

Douglas stops him late after thoroughly schooling him.

[Tatabanya]

At their best Bruno looks completely lost.

Douglas stops him late after thoroughly schooling him.

I think exactly the same.

Had Douglas been a disciplined athlete, he would have achieved much more than being just "the first man to beat Tyson". He had excellent skills.

[Rusty Tromboni]

I think exactly the same.

Had Douglas been a disciplined athlete, he would have achieved much more than being just "the first man to beat Tyson". He had excellent skills.

Yeah, it's disappointing.

He list most his fights at the dinner table.

[billeau2]

At their best Bruno looks completely lost.

Douglas stops him late after thoroughly schooling him.

Yup. On that night Douglas was a fantastic fighter.

[billeau2]

I think exactly the same.

Had Douglas been a disciplined athlete, he would have achieved much more than being just "the first man to beat Tyson". He had excellent skills.

I want to try and give Douglas some sympathy in this regard. Fighting and sports cover a lot of the same areas, Like concentric circles sharing area... But at the deepest level there are differences. When we fight its much older, we have movement patterns that reflect the bodies emotional state in a fight versus flight situation. I believe this psycho somatic situation can come upon us... Some of us.

I actually think it involves people who do not like to fight, but know how too. That is a bonafide opinion and anyone can call me out on it... Queeny?

I think Douglas had talent but did not like to fight... Again, it is a little ridiculous considering that he was a boxer... But I swear, his temperment and the way he never really gave much concern... I mean he did what he had to do but is that the same thing? We all come to fighting for different reasons. many people don't know that Rahman was a thumb breaker, an enforcer, so one can assume he liked to hurt people. Guys like Tyson loved to fight... And Douglas? He was big, strong, and able... but really never had the drive. THAT IS until he did! I love my family that way, I get it...Douglas was going in there for his mother and everyone who called him a loser was s hitt ing on Mama's boy!!

Douglas was like, "you can call me names, whatever, but you won't make my mama cry." And that esprit became the extra snap and lunge forward on those jabs that shook Mike up, they became that extra Bravado to stand in there and throw combinations...Douglas not only beat Mike, he stood toe to toe and boxed Mike. Even Holyfield had to push Mike onto his heels to go after him.

Thats my take on the fight. With this take and the proper amount of cash you can get a Sabrett Hot Dog and Knish!

[Willie Pep 229]

I usually don't point to 'experts' to make an argument because they often aren't actually the experts they profess to be and, like may be the case here, are often misquoted . . . but with that said let me reference Ray Arcel.

Ray Arcel is purported to have once stated that Carlos Monzon was the only fighter he ever observed who liked to fight.

And this comes from a man who trained Roberto Duran.

Arcel it seems was suggesting that there was something wrong with Monzon. Which is kind of interesting when you consider this was several years before Monzon decided to dispatch his ex-wife off the balcony.

Saying a fighter likes to fight is an odd statement to parse.

If you offered Mike Tyson a 40 million dollar paycheck and then added: "Look Champ you can keep the check whether you fight or not." Does one then conclude that Tyson would still want to fight?

According to Ray Arcel there was only one fighter who would still choose to fight.

I wonder if Tyson was another such fighter; you know, a psychopath.

IMHO I think Tyson did, in the beginning, like to fight but by mid career had lost that desire. Or another way to say it, I think Tyson liked winning, not necessarily liked fighting.

[The Old LefHook]

He had a big grip!

[Rusty Tromboni]

I usually don't point to 'experts' to make an argument because they often aren't actually the experts they profess to be and, like may be the case here, are often misquoted . . . but with that said let me reference Ray Arcel.

Ray Arcel is purported to have once stated that Carlos Monzon was the only fighter he ever observed who liked to fight.

And this comes from a man who trained Roberto Duran.

Arcel it seems was suggesting that there was something wrong with Monzon. Which is kind of interesting when you consider this was several years before Monzon decided to dispatch his ex-wife off the balcony.

Saying a fighter likes to fight is an odd statement to parse.

If you offered Mike Tyson a 40 million dollar paycheck and then added: "Look Champ you can keep the check whether you fight or not." Does one then conclude that Tyson would still want to fight?

According to Ray Arcel there was only one fighter who would still choose to fight.

I wonder if Tyson was another such fighter; you know, a psychopath.

IMHO I think Tyson did, in the beginning, like to fight but by mid career had lost that desire. Or another way to say it, I think Tyson liked winning, not necessarily liked fighting.

Yeah,that's one I might take with a grain of salt, or leave open to broad interpretation.

Plenty of people enjoy fighting.

I want to try and give Douglas some sympathy in this regard. Fighting and sports cover a lot of the same areas, Like concentric circles sharing area... But at the deepest level there are differences. When we fight its much older, we have movement patterns that reflect the bodies emotional state in a fight versus flight situation. I believe this psycho somatic situation can come upon us... Some of us.

I actually think it involves people who do not like to fight, but know how too. That is a bonafide opinion and anyone can call me out on it... Queeny?

I think Douglas had talent but did not like to fight... Again, it is a little ridiculous considering that he was a boxer... But I swear, his temperment and the way he never really gave much concern... I mean he did what he had to do but is that the same thing? We all come to fighting for different reasons. many people don't know that Rahman was a thumb breaker, an enforcer, so one can assume he liked to hurt people. Guys like Tyson loved to fight... And Douglas? He was big, strong, and able... but really never had the drive. THAT IS until he did! I love my family that way, I get it...Douglas was going in there for his mother and everyone who called him a loser was s hitt ing on Mama's boy!!

Douglas was like, "you can call me names, whatever, but you won't make my mama cry." And that esprit became the extra snap and lunge forward on those jabs that shook Mike up, they became that extra Bravado to stand in there and throw combinations...Douglas not only beat Mike, he stood toe to toe and boxed Mike. Even Holyfield had to push Mike onto his heels to go after him.

Thats my take on the fight. With this take and the proper amount of cash you can get a Sabrett Hot Dog and Knish!

Great insight.

I'm pretty sure his dad got him into Boxing. A story not unlike Cooney's.

And it may actually have been symptomatic of many fighters of that generation: ones who had so much potential, but failed to realize it. Other factors (*******) contributed, but the will to fight is essential because eventually it isn't easy anymore.

We always talk about how Boxing has lost its monopoly on top tier talent to other sports. But fighting is hard.

I haven't coached for several years now. But the Wrestling is dying. Kids have lost their hunger.

Football (remember when that was a full-contact sport?) sucks up a lot of kids who wanna unload aggression. Waaay less sacrifice and way less pain involved.

[ShoulderRoll]

Football (remember when that was a full-contact sport?) sucks up a lot of kids who wanna unload aggression. Waaay less sacrifice and way less pain involved.

Spoken like someone who has obviously never played organized football.