Harry Wills Colorized

[jack p]

I believe this video was created by Fight Film Guy I could be wrong. I know it wasn"t me who created it
Here He is The Black Panther Himself
Video was extremely poor condition but i just had to see what the man looks like in color





Honestly In My Opinion poor Harry got the shaft so this is from not just me to honor him for his contribution to boxing history.
But this is a gift from All Of Us to honor Harry
I am sure many of you feel the same as i do

[The D3vil]

Good shxt.

It hurts to see how guys like him didn't get what they deserve.

Props to you for making sure guys like him aren't forgotten.

Off to watch colorized Dempsey/Firpo!

[Rusty Tromboni]

Wonderful work as always. Wills shed blood in the ring. He deserves to remembered just like anyone else. I really appreciate this footage.

But the colorized footage only further proves that Wills wasn't on Dempsey's level.

[The Old LefHook]

Wills was as slow as gravy.

[travestyny]

It's a shame that Dempsey didn't have as much confidence in himself as some of you had in him.

Wills deserved that fight. One of the great tragedies in boxing.

[jack p]

[QUOTE=travestyny;19912284]It's a shame that Dempsey didn't have as much confidence in himself as some of you had in him.

Yes but Wills was not the only challenger for Dempseys belt. Wills refusal to face the other top challengers Left them as viable contendors to.
Wills spent all his time trying to get Dempsey to fight by tying him up in court. Instead of beating everyone else in the ring
By not facing and beating every top contender Wills left Dempsey an out
Wills could have got the fight if he fought Tunney and beat him. Rickard promised it, Rickards word was his bond..
Dempsey never refused a contract with Rickards name on it
That coliseum Club agreement. They had no case. if they had a case they could have filed an injunction halted Dempsey Tunney
They couldnt have honored there end of the contract
They were out of there league. Paying anyone 10 dollars to bind them to a contract . Is not going to work when someone comes with half a million now. ..Tunney was the one who insisted that he and Wills should fight for the right to meet Dempsey

You could say Wills shouldnt have had to, Your right. Lamotta should not have had to take a dive to get a title shot. Sometimes you need to do things you shouldnt have to to get what you.want.
I see why Wills and his manager refused to fight the other top contenders. They knew he would lose and have no chance.To recieve a fight
Wills was not as good as the generation of Black fighters previously
I see why newspaper reports are littered with Wills opponents complaint about Wills foul tactics
Wills holds there right arm in a clinch with his left. Hits with his right. Holding and hittings illegal.. Most Wills Knockouts are because of it Dempsey fought foul but never disqualified like Wills for it

[travestyny]

Yes but Wills was not the only challenger for Dempseys belt. Wills refusal to face the other top challengers Left them as viable contendors to.
Wills spent all his time trying to get Dempsey to fight by tying him up in court. Instead of beating everyone else in the ring
By not facing and beating every top contender Wills left Dempsey an out
Wills could have got the fight if he fought Tunney and beat him. Rickard promised it, Rickards word was his bond..
Dempsey never refused a contract with Rickards name on it
That coliseum Club agreement. They had no case. if they had a case they could have filed an injunction halted Dempsey Tunney
They couldnt have honored there end of the contract
They were out of there league. Paying anyone 10 dollars to bind them to a contract . Is not going to work when someone comes with half a million now. ..Tunney was the one who insisted that he and Wills should fight for the right to meet Dempsey

You could say Wills shouldnt have had to, Your right. Lamotta should not have had to take a dive to get a title shot. Sometimes you need to do things you shouldnt have to to get what you.want.
I see why Wills and his manager refused to fight the other top contenders. They knew he would lose and have no chance.To recieve a fight
Wills was not as good as the generation of Black fighters previously
I see why newspaper reports are littered with Wills opponents complaint about Wills foul tactics
Wills holds there right arm in a clinch with his left. Hits with his right. Holding and hittings illegal.. Most Wills Knockouts are because of it Dempsey fought foul but never disqualified like Wills for it

Let's keep this above board, but to be clear, there is a lot of false information in your post.

Bro, Wills was chasing Dempsey for YEARS. Probably since 1922. Come on, now. Holding out for Dempsey was the right move because he deserved that shot. Not only that, but in Dempsey's own words, Wills was THE ONLY MAN HE EVER WANTED TO FIGHT SINCE BECOMING CHAMPION. Which is obviously another lie by Dempsey.


And do you really think Rickard would have given him the fight if he beat Tunney. Hell no. He would magically be all for it now? They played around Wills so many times that there is no way anyone should trust that Rickard would give Wills the fight.

And what you don't realize is that the court DID issue an injunction to stop the Tunney fight. That's why Dempsey took the fight to Phillly. He was barred from fighting anyone except Wills in Illinois, and New York also said Wills or you aint fighting here.

About the money, you are also off here. The Wills contract was worth more than Dempsey's contract to fight Tunney. And yes, contracts often have what's called "consideration," and the whole point of that is to bind the signee to the contract. It's often a symbolic $1. In this case, it was $10. Now please tell me, why did Dempsey sign a contract that stated specifically that the first payment would be $300,000 in August (which the contract stipulated that he would be able to KEEP in full if for some reason the fight didn't come off) , and take $10 to bind him to the contract, only to later claim he was owed something like $125,000 on the day he signed the contract???

No one accepts $10 to bind them to a contract and signs on the dotted line on the very same day that they are expecting $125,000. The court didn't buy that bullshlt, and neither should anyone else who is looking at this with a clear head.




I know you're a Dempsey fan, but you need to look at the simple facts. ALL of this is documented and I can show you proof of everything I've said.


The bottom line is this.

1. Dempsey signed the contract, agreeing to ALL of its terms. Even admit in court that he took $10 to bind him to the contract.

2. Dempsey broke the contract in July, when he clearly agreed that the first payment would be received August 5th. He didn't even wait for the money, which was PROVEN to be in place with a guaranteed check waiting for Dempsey at the bank on the VERY DAY it was supposed to be there. So it is FALSE that they couldn't keep up with the terms of the contract. This was the lie that Dempsey and friends put out. See for yourself.

Proof the money was present.

Proof the money was present on the exact day that the contract stipulated. From the court brief:

By the terms of the agreement Dempsey was to receive $10, receipt of which was acknowledged, and the plaintiff further agreed to pay to Dempsey the sum of $300,000 on the 5th day of August 1926, — $500,000 in cash at least 10 days before the date fixed for the contest, and a sum equal to 50 per cent of the net profits over and above the sum of $2,000,000 in the event the gate receipts
should exceed that amount.

3. Here is Dempsey claiming that he was owed $125,000 on March 13th. Problem is (besides the obvious being that the contract doesn't mention that at all), THE DATE THAT HE SIGNED THE CONTRACT WAS MARCH 13TH. So who signs a contract and accepts $10 to bind them to it on the very same day that they expect to receive $125,000.

Proof that the contract was signed on March 13th. First paragraph of the court brief.

Chicago Coliseum Club, a corporation, as plaintiff, brought its action against William Harrison Dempsey, known as Jack Dempsey, to recover damages for breach of a written contract executed March 13, 1926, but bearing date of March 6 of that year.

Proof he claims that he and his lawyers forgot how to read and claimed he was due $125,000 on the very day he signed his name to the contract and binded himself to the contract with $10.

4. Proof of the injunction. You can find this in the court case.

The chancellor in the Indiana court entered his decree, which apparently is in full force and effect, and the defendant in violating the terms of that decree, after personal service, is answerable to that court for a violation of the injunctional order entered in said proceeding.

All of the facts are lined up right there. The court seemed to laugh at his contention that there was no contract.

We are unable to conceive upon what theory the defendant could contend that there was no contract, as it appears to be admitted in the proceeding here and bears his signature and the amounts involved are sufficiently large to have created a rather lasting impression on the mind of anyone signing such an agreement.

He ducked Harry Wills and was lucky enough to get off with only being responsible for minimal damages while being able to duck the court ordered injunction by running from two states to fight in Philly.


Let's leave emotion out of this and if you want to discuss the facts I've mentioned, please be my guest.


The rest of your post is about whom you think would have won, and that is irrelevant. Clearly Dempsey saw something that he wanted no part of, which is why he not only broke a contract but also dodged a court ordered injunction. Wills was willing. The promoter was willing. The money was present. Dempsey ran out of town.

[ShoulderRoll]

Interesting training with that rowing contraption and punching with the pulley machine.