How much does that 50lbs of muscle matter between HW of the 80s and now?

[AlexKid]

Foreman went up about 50 lbs (260+lbs) when he came back into the modern era, did it increase his punching power? If so by how much? (give a rough %)

What if he was 217lbs like he was in his prime? Would he have done better or worse?

Do guys like a young foreman really hit harder than guys like Lewis(255), Bowe(271lbs), , and Wlad (240)?

If you take guys like young foreman, Lyle, norton etc and give them 50 lbs extra muscle I think they hit harder than the big modern guys, but without that 50lbs of muscle im not confident they do.

What do you guys think?



I think they definately were better genetically for power, back in the 80's but that superiority is somewhat mitigated by the sheer mass of the modern heavyweights. Im not sure why they got bigger I know some of its weight training and nutrition.

[AlexKid]

Just imagine if Earnie Shavers put on 50lbs of muscle, like Foreman did, but as a young man, hed kill people!

Hed gas fast though, but he always did anyway so why not go with the flow!?

[The Old LefHook]

Just imagine if Earnie Shavers put on 50lbs of muscle, like Foreman did, but as a young man, hed kill people!

Hed gas fast though, but he always did anyway so why not go with the flow!?

Why don't you ever think before you blab? I defy you to find anyone, including Foremen, who thinks George put on fifty pounds of muscle. His trunks were eight sizes larger in his second career. Is that what muscle does to a man's waist line?

[AlexKid]

why don't you ever think before you blab? I defy you to find anyone, including foremen, who thinks george put on fifty pounds of muscle. His trunks were eight sizes larger in his second career. Is that what muscle does to a man's waist line?

some of it was fat

but it doesn't matter, the muscle isnt adding much force to the punch directly, the weight of the muscle or fat is

[ShoulderRoll]

There have been heavily muscled fighters before the 80s. Look at Primo Carnera for example. 6'5" tall and weighing in at a very solid 265 pounds or there abouts.

It's the skill not the muscles.

[The Old LefHook]

some of it was fat

but it doesn't matter, the muscle isnt adding much force to the punch directly, the weight of the muscle or fat is

Now you have changed it from muscle to weight.

If F=MA, which has been known since Newton, force is composed of two linear factors. An increase in one with an equal decrease in the other, leaves matters unchanged. In other words the speed loss associated with that mass gain will decrease the punch's power equal to the power gained by mass increase.

We do not know precisely where this equilibrium point occurs. But just as a falling object reaches its terminal velocity when the force of the air pushing back against it balances with the accelerative force of gravity, it will eventually occur with mass and speed, too. I have a hunch it is long before any man in the world puts on fifty pounds of pure muscle mass. By that time, he probably not only punches no harder than he did 25 lbs. ago, he is a sitting duck in the ring.

It seems to me that your question is a disguised attempt to once again bring up tired arguments for tired ears and tired vocal cords to dispute the merits of modern super heavyweights against the smaller heavyweight champs of the past.

Can a man of Marciano's size in perfect condition stand up against and hurt the modern behemoths? All I know is that there is an inflection point where the advantages of added mass becomes a disadvantage, so for Marciano to add fifty pounds of muscle to fight someone like Klinchko or Phony, would be an absurd proposition to me. I can see him adding 15-20 pounds before the disadvantages set in too heavily. I do not even want to imagine what a 237 pound Marciano would look like.

[AlexKid]

Now you have changed it from muscle to weight.

If F=MA, which has been known since Newton, force is composed of two linear factors. An increase in one with an equal decrease in the other, leaves matter unchanged. In other words the speed loss associated with that mass gain will decrease the punch's power equal to the power gained by mass increase.

We do not know precisely where this equilibrium point occurs. But just as a falling object reaches its terminal velocity when the force of the air pushing back against it balances with the accelerative force of gravity, it will eventually occur with mass and speed, too. I have a hunch it is long before any man in the world puts on fifty pounds of pure muscle mass. By that time, he probably not only punches no harder than he did 25 lbs. ago, he is a sitting duck in the ring.

It seems to me that your question is a disguised attempt to once again bring up tired arguments for tired ears and tired vocal cords to dispute the merits of modern super heavyweights against the smaller heavyweight champs of the past.

Can a man of Marciano's size in perfect condition stand up against and hurt the modern behemoths? All I know is that there is an inflection point where the advantages of added mass becomes a disadvantage, so for Marciano to add fifty pounds of muscle to fight someone like Klinchko or Phony, would be an absurd proposition to me. I can see him adding 15-20 pounds before the disadvantages set in too heavily. I do not even want to imagine what a 237 pound Marciano would look like.

shavers isnt marciano, shavers and many 80s guys like foreman can put on alot of weight and be almost as big as the modern guys of our era, without it being a cardio nightmare

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[The Old LefHook]

shavers isnt marciano, shavers and many 80s guys like foreman can put on alot of weight and be almost as big as the modern guys of our era, without it being a cardio nightmare

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You never catch on. Why don't you ask some more questions an eager eighth grader might ask now?

[JAB5239]

There is a reason guys like Marciano and Frazier and other past greats shunned weights and size in order to come in the ring smaller. Excess size makes your heart work harder and you are slower overall. You simply can't hit as hard if you're exhausted and you will not be as effective and will be slower with excess size whether it's muscle or fat. This is why you don't see fights likev Ali-Frazier in the heavyweight division any more. Wlad has been the best fighter in the division for 10 years. He is huge, muscular and had decent athleticism. No way he can or could have ever gotten into a hard paced war of attrition. Vits-Lewis outlines this perfectly. Both guys were huge, strong heavies...both were exhausted after 5 rounds. Being massive doesn't always pay dividends as a heavyweight, at least as I see it.

[Weltschmerz]

To be fair, both Klitschko's had great stamina in their primes. If you look at Anthony Joshua, you have the prime example of the modern day superheavy and if you go back, you'd only have freak examples like Carnera to compare remotely. Lennox Lewis probably set the precedent for the modern day superheavy introduced say, 20 yrs ago.