Tunney's all time heanyweight ranking?

[Barn]

I don't rate tunney at HW

1. Joe Louis
2. Muhammad Ali
3. Jack Johnson
4. Jack Dempsey
5. George Foreman
6. Joe Frazier
7. Sonny Liston
8. Rocky Marciano
9. Larry Holmes
10. Mike Tyson
11. Evander Holyfield
12. Ezzard Charles
13. Lennox Lewis
14. Floyd Patterson
15. Max Baer
16. James Jeffries
17. Gentleman Jim Corbett
18. Max Schmeling
19. Jersey Joe Walcott
20. Bowe/Fitzimmons

I don't think Tunney makes it. Very good LHW though

Good list, I just don't see how Jack Johnson gets ranked so high by everyone.

[mickey malone]

Style-wise, Tunney's one of my all time favs and it's pretty tempting to overrate him at hw. Facts are facts though and i agree with the majority that he didn't spend long enough in the division to earn a top 10 rating. I do feel his wins over Dempsey get underrated though, because apart from 'the long count' it's hard to give Jack a single round. For some peculiar reason (?) both fights were contested over 10 which i suppose is another good reason not to rank him at heavy, especially as they were his most prominent wins. Besides, i think a prime Dempsey would've stood a great chance of stopping him late. As one poster already points out, Gene should've been ko'd in their 1st fight and had Dempsey been ring-sharp would've realized the rules had been changed and took to a neutral corner.

I doubt they'd be too much argument in ranking him as a top 5 lhwt. Imo, only Ezzard Charles should be above him. I think he'd have been too clever for Spinks, Foster, Qawi and quite possibly, would'a hit too hard for Jones.

As a strange coincidence, neither Tunney or Charles were ever titlists at 175 which i believe this was due to both having to attend Military Service.

[New England]

I found this ridiculous list on another site and it got me to thinking about where Gene Tunney should really rank amongst the heavyweight greats.

1/. Muhammad Ali
2/. Jack Dempsey
3/. Joe Louis
4/. George Foreman
5/. Jack Johnson
6/. Joe Frazier
7/. Gene Tunney
8/. Sonny Liston
9/. Rocky Marciano
10/. Mike Tyson

Besides beating a 3 year inactive Jack Dempsey, the fighting marine beat no one really noteworthy of such lofty status at heavyweight to be ranked above Liston, Marciano, Tyson, Lewis or even Ezzard Charles for that matter. Based on accomplishment at heavyweight I don't think Tunney makes the top 20. Opinions?

that's just a wild list of men
some guy rattled off the top ten HW's he could think of, probably whilst on the sauce
and mistakenly threw in gene tunney


i love the guy,
but george foreman at numba fo?
really?

[CarlosG815]

Tunney and Dempsey are WAY to high. Dempsey ducked his two biggest challenges. How the hell can he rank above Joe Louis? Ludicrous.

Larry Holmes should be in there. Holyfeild and Lewis to, in my opinion.

I would also put Norton, Patterson, Schmeling, Jeffries, Walcott, Baer, Langford, Wills and maybe even (can't believe Im going to actually say it) Wlad above him at heavyweight, and maybe others

In all honesty it is far more ludicrous to have Lennox ranked 5 than to have Dempsey 2 or Tunney 7. Unlike Lennox, a strong case can be made for Dempsey to be ranked in the top 5 as his greatness is well known by all boxing historians, whereas Lennox is a highly debatable fighter for his glass chin, bad footwork and questionable resume of has beens and early one punch knockouts to journeyman fighters that no other great in history would have succumbed to.

This is a very good article, give it a read.



The more time goes on, the more people forget the greatness of Jack Dempsey. In no way is Lennox close to the caliber of Jack Dempsey.

[CarlosG815]

A little on Jack Dempsey

[mickey malone]

In all honesty it is far more ludicrous to have Lennox ranked 5 than to have Dempsey 2 or Tunney 7. Unlike Lennox, a strong case can be made for Dempsey to be ranked in the top 5 as his greatness is well known by all boxing historians, whereas Lennox is a highly debatable fighter for his glass chin, bad footwork and questionable resume of has beens and early one punch knockouts to journeyman fighters that no other great in history would have succumbed to.

This is a very good article, give it a read.



The more time goes on, the more people forget the greatness of Jack Dempsey. In no way is Lennox close to the caliber of Jack Dempsey.

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[Vadrigar.]

I found this ridiculous list on another site and it got me to thinking about where Gene Tunney should really rank amongst the heavyweight greats.

1/. Muhammad Ali
2/. Jack Dempsey
3/. Joe Louis
4/. George Foreman
5/. Jack Johnson
6/. Joe Frazier
7/. Gene Tunney
8/. Sonny Liston
9/. Rocky Marciano
10/. Mike Tyson

Besides beating a 3 year inactive Jack Dempsey, the fighting marine beat no one really noteworthy of such lofty status at heavyweight to be ranked above Liston, Marciano, Tyson, Lewis or even Ezzard Charles for that matter. Based on accomplishment at heavyweight I don't think Tunney makes the top 20. Opinions?

1. Muhammad Ali
2. Joe Louis
3. larry Holmes
4. George Foreman
5. Rocky Marciano
6. Joe Frazier
7. Evander Holyfield
8. Lennox Lewis
9. Sonny Liston
10. Jack Johnson

Your list sounds like a Bert Sugar list. He's quite big on Jack Dempsey

[Vadrigar.]

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why?

[The_Demon]

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Haha i was thinking the same

Its sad how much one guy can repeat themselves over and over again,its quite worrying how somebody can be so obsessive

[Vadrigar.]

Haha i was thinking the same

Its sad how much one guy can repeat themselves over and over again,its quite worrying how somebody can be so obsessive

That sounded like a sonnyboy style post.