Ranking Floyd Patterson Above Lennox Lewis, Can It Be Justified?

[sonnyboyx2]

Pete Rademacher had never even had a pro fight before. Who was more deserving: him, Machen or Folley?

Tom McNeeley was never ranked in the top 10, let alone beat a top contender. The NBA thought him an "unfit" opponent. Who was more deserving: him, Machen, Folley, Liston or Williams?

Brian London never beat a top heavyweight in his life. Who was more deserving: him, Machen or Folley?

And Roy Harris was never the #1 contender. Do you just make things up as you go along?



In Sonnyboy land perhaps but there's a reason why numerous people in this thread have pointed out how ridiculous some of your comments are.

I love how Machen was unworthy of a title shot in his prime but a post-breakdown Machen in 1965 is a great win. Chuvalo? Chuvalo was beaten 18 times in his career, and it didn't always take one of the elite to do the job. Bob Cleroux, Eduardo Corletti and incredibly Pete Rademacher all beat him. Bonavena, another close fight which you'd call a robbery if it involved Lewis.

Cooper was Euro-level and knocked out nearly every time he fought someone world class and it didn't take a top contender to beat him either (Roger Rischer, Amos Johnson, Joe Bygraves etc). Terry Daniels? You'd be ripping these guys to shreds if Lewis fought them. If you're having dodgy decisions against Quarry and Ellis then I'm having the gift draw in the first Holyfield fight and the premature stoppage against McCall. That last one will have you foaming at the mouth, I bet!



Like I said you don't debate Lewis, you just repeat the same biased, inaccurate statements again and again, even after other people point out that you're wrong.

McCoy you don't like what i state about Lewis yet i always back-up what i claim with links and evidence unlike yourself who has never once provided a shred of evidence or any links to back you your feeble case.

You are now querying the credentials of Chuvalo & Bonavena who was contenders in the "Golden Era" as well as claiming Machen was over the hill in 1964 when Patterson beat him yet he fought Ernie Terrell in 1965 for the WBA Heavyweight Title, a fight i happen to have and Machen is most definitely not over the hill..Roy Harris was No1 contender after beating No3 contender Willie Pastrano with No2 contender Zora Folley losing to Henry Cooper and No1 contender Eddie Machen getting destroyed by Ingemar Johansson... Check it out!

You claim Lewis lost on a premature stoppage to Oliver McCall yet i was at the fight in Wembley Arena and was one of hundreds sitting ringside in the 14,000 crowd shouting, "Stop it, Stop it" as Lewis fell into the referee's arms on unsteady legs after getting poleaxed by McCall, Lewis had to be helped down the ring steps by his brother and handlers as he was still glassy-eyed and on unsteady legs 10 minutes after the fight was over... check out my posts history and you will see i have mentioned this fight in the past, i was also at the Lewis vs Ruddock, Bruno, McCrory & Fortune fights.

You claim people point out that i am wrong yet the only person who has queried my comments is yourself and Scott yet last night i noticed you both logging on and off alternately but never being on at the same time which got me wondering are you the same person?

Do you now agree that your claim of Lewis being dominant is incorrect?

Do you agree Botha, Rahman, Bruno, Tyson, Morrison & Mavrovic all being unranked and Golota no more than a fringe contender ?... here is the ratings as proof:



i have supplied evidence & links to back-up everything i have claimed, yet you have never provided a single link or a shred of evidence to back-up any of your claims because they are your own "made-up" claims which do not stand up. i have received Green K from members who agree with my posts on this topic, they are in agreement with everything i have stated, they can see the links i have provided and read them for themselves.. unlike yourself who claims the links are false and that Eddie Futch the Legendary Hall of Fame trainer is wrong.. you need to get a grip my friend and either accept the truth or provide evidence for your claims otherwise i will put them down as figments of your vivid imagination.

i have supplied the links you have supplied nothing, i have stated my case with facts and evidence to back those facts up, you have supplied nothing only your own opinions.. you obviously like Lennox Lewis as much as i like him yet i don't exaggerate his career, i attended many of his fights which was held in the UK so have a very good idea of how good he was as i seen him in the flesh `Live`.. i followed his career from start to finish as he is one of my favorite UK fighters but i don't get carried away and deny his pitfalls, i only tell it like it actually happened.

[Kid McCoy]

You are now querying the credentials of Chuvalo & Bonavena who was contenders in the "Golden Era" as well as claiming Machen was over the hill in 1964 when Patterson beat him yet he fought Ernie Terrell in 1965 for the WBA Heavyweight Title, a fight i happen to have and Machen is most definitely not over the hill..Roy Harris was No1 contender after beating No3 contender Willie Pastrano with No2 contender Zora Folley losing to Henry Cooper and No1 contender Eddie Machen getting destroyed by Ingemar Johansson... Check it out!

I'm querying the credentials of a guy who in some cases didn't even have to step up in class to lose. Rademacher? Cleroux? Corletti? Come on. Richard Dunn and Bob Stallings fought in the "Golden Age" too. That doesn't make them Ali. Machen, who was apparently less worthy of a title shot than Rademacher, McNeeley or London when in his prime, was past prime and had previously spent time in a mental institution. You'd have a field day if Lewis fought someone like that.

You claim Lewis lost on a premature stoppage to Oliver McCall yet i was at the fight in Wembley Arena and was one of hundreds sitting ringside in the 14,000 crowd shouting, "Stop it, Stop it" as Lewis fell into the referee's arms on unsteady legs after getting poleaxed by McCall, Lewis had to be helped down the ring steps by his brother and handlers as he was still glassy-eyed and on unsteady legs 10 minutes after the fight was over... check out my posts history and you will see i have mentioned this fight in the past, i was also at the Lewis vs Ruddock, Bruno, McCrory & Fortune fights.

Yes a premature stoppage. I've seen much worse allowed to continue. Check out Larry Holmes staggering head first into the ring post after being dropped by Snipes. The ref allowed him to continue and show his great heart and recovery powers. Lewis wasn't given that chance by a Don King referee no one has heard from since.

You claim people point out that i am wrong yet the only person who has queried my comments is yourself and Scott yet last night i noticed you both logging on and off alternately but never being on at the same time which got me wondering are you the same person?

Sure about that?

Do you agree Botha, Rahman, Bruno, Tyson, Morrison & Mavrovic all being unranked and Golota no more than a fringe contender ?... here is the ratings as proof:

And still you carry on. Even your own link has Golota rated in the top 10. Shame the 1997 ratings are missing. Read carefully:

The fight will be a WBC mandatory title defense for Lewis. Tyson is the WBC's No. 1-ranked contender.

Rahman, the fourth-ranked IBF contender, has won 34 of his 36 fights

The unbeaten Mavrovic is not an opponent of choice. Lewis is making a mandatory defense against the WBC's No.1 ranked contender.

i have supplied evidence & links to back-up everything i have claimed, yet you have never provided a single link or a shred of evidence to back-up any of your claims because they are your own "made-up" claims which do not stand up. i have received Green K from members who agree with my posts on this topic, they are in agreement with everything i have stated, they can see the links i have provided and read them for themselves.. unlike yourself who claims the links are false and that Eddie Futch the Legendary Hall of Fame trainer is wrong.. you need to get a grip my friend and either accept the truth or provide evidence for your claims otherwise i will put them down as figments of your vivid imagination.

Like the "facts and evidence" you provided for Lewis ducking Hide, Brewster, Witherspoon, Foreman and Jones? The "facts and evidence" for London, McNeeley and Rademacher being worthy challengers? Your link for Lewis ducking Jones said nothing of the sort. I'd also like to see some "facts and evidence" that Roy Harris was the #1 contender when Patterson fought him.

Eddie Futch also said Michael Spinks would beat Tyson and Duane Bobick would beat Norton. Great trainer, not a god.

[young_robbed]

Pound for pound I do think Floyd ranks higher.. He moved up in weight and mananged to become heavyweight champion twice..(arguably a third time if you give the Ellis fight to Floyd) He was doing very well at light heavyweight, and lost a close decision to Joey maxim for the title I think.

But comparing their two resumes at heavyweight you have to rank Lewis higher... he was more dominant. To me Lewis also beat better fighters.

Lewis blows Floyd out of the water in a few rounds had they fought... depends if Floyd looks to box or engage Lewis head on. To me a younger Floyd was always prone to slugging which would never work with the much bigger Lewis.