Judging Boxers Historically: Are We Looking at It Wrong?

[StarshipTrooper]

well,its obvious your bball knowledge is the same as your boxing knowledge.
you can make an argument that kobe is better than mike skill wise.i say kobe is the best 2 guard ive seen offensivley,but he lacks the intangibles that jordan had.jordan has only played with 1 other true all star and that was pippen.as a matter of fact,anrstrong made an asg once,and grant made it once but i believe grant made it the year mj was gone.but either way,jordan didnt play with great players

evo�lu�tion
noun \ˌev-ə-ˈl?shən also ˌē-və-\
Definition of EVOLUTION
1
: a process of change in a certain direction

so athletes growing bigger is somehow not a process of change in a certain direction lmao.riiiiggghhhttt

BTW, if anything basketball players are LESS skilled overall then they were just a few years ago. Why? Because most don't learn the skills and just try to skate by on their athleticism. And Kobe Bryant is NOT more skilled than Michael Jordan.....at ANYTHING. Cripes, yhou remind me of those idiots that were saying just a few short years ago that Allen ****ing Iverson was better than Jordan :rolleyes9:

Poet

[GJC]

biggest difference is a ball cant hit you back

Am begining to wonder if todays HW contenders can hit you back

[SBleeder]

For my money, all the protein shakes and plyometrics have produced is probably the slowest and most unathletic heavyweight champion since Primo Carnera (I'm referring to Frankenstein Wlad Klitschko), who moves around the ring like he had a screening colonoscopy five minutes before the opening bell, and whose power is nowhere near the level of guys like Liston and Foreman who trained old-school.

Except that Jordan isn't the best I've seen play. One of the best yes. But THE best? No, that would be Oscar Robertson. Jordan isn't even the best SCORER that I've seen: That would be Bernard King before his 1985 knee injury. I rank Jordan higher as a player than King because King was a pure scorer while Jordan was an all-around better player.

I've gotten to watch a lot of old Oscar Robertson games... along with Bill Russell, and I disagree about them being better players than Jordan. Tell me why OR's better than MJ.

[StarshipTrooper]

For my money, all the protein shakes and plyometrics have produced is probably the slowest and most unathletic heavyweight champion since Primo Carnera (I'm referring to Frankenstein Wlad Klitschko), who moves around the ring like he had a screening colonoscopy five minutes before the opening bell, and whose power is nowhere near the level of guys like Liston and Foreman who trained old-school.

I've gotten to watch a lot of old Oscar Robertson games... along with Bill Russell, and I disagree about them being better players than Jordan. Tell me why OR's better than MJ.

Better all around game. Robertson could do it all: Better rebounder than Jordan, better passer than Jordan, about equal as a scorer, about equal as a defender. Don't get me wrong, Jordan is certainly one of the best I've watched play and was no slouch as a rebounder and a passer. He just wasn't quite as good as Robertson in those two areas. Truth be told, you could toss Roberston and Jordan into a mix with Magic, Bird, Erving, Cousy, Baylor, and Gervin and all of them would have a strong case for being the best.....I just feel Robertson edges the others on the overall strength of his game.

Poet

[StarshipTrooper]

For my money, all the protein shakes and plyometrics have produced is probably the slowest and most unathletic heavyweight champion since Primo Carnera (I'm referring to Frankenstein Wlad Klitschko), who moves around the ring like he had a screening colonoscopy five minutes before the opening bell, and whose power is nowhere near the level of guys like Liston and Foreman who trained old-school.

Make that a colonoscopy via lead pipe :hahahaha9:

Poet

[Obama]

Most experts say Magic Johnson is the best basketball player. The reason being he's the only guy who's actually been good at every position (played all of them in 1 game once too).

You'll never find another point guard who can switch off and play center. And Magic was no ordinary point guard...he was the best.

[r.burgundy]

Most experts say Magic Johnson is the best basketball player. The reason being he's the only guy who's actually been good at every position (played all of them in 1 game once too).

You'll never find another point guard who can switch off and play center. And Magic was no ordinary point guard...he was the best.

thats cause magic was 6'9.but once magic slowed down he had to play in the post

[r.burgundy]

Better find another term because when a person uses the term "evolution" it's a given they're referring to Darwinian ie biological evolution. You can parse words all you like but you use the term to try and give bogus "scientific" weight to your claims.....ie you're trying to mascarade biological evolution as simply "change". Point in fact, as I mentioned earlier, change does not equate to "better"; different does not equate to better. Only those people wedded to the psuedo-scientific ideology of inexorable "progress" (a bogus Marxist concept btw) think that it does. The human condition is just as likely to regress as it is to progress.....or are you unfamiliar with the term "dark ages"?

Poet

your a true jack of all trades .darwins theory of evolution is that all life evolved from a common ancestor you dunce

that theory has nothing whatsoever to do with the fact that humans are growing taller every decade and species continue to evolve.darwin didnt invent the word evolution lmao

and who the hell is using the words different and better?your making less sense than usual

[r.burgundy]

BTW, if anything basketball players are LESS skilled overall then they were just a few years ago. Why? Because most don't learn the skills and just try to skate by on their athleticism. And Kobe Bryant is NOT more skilled than Michael Jordan.....at ANYTHING. Cripes, yhou remind me of those idiots that were saying just a few short years ago that Allen ****ing Iverson was better than Jordan :rolleyes9:

Poet

1st off like i said,your bball knowledge is actually worse than your boxing knowledge incredibly.
jordan has 5 league mvps,and 6 finals mvps.how many does oscar have?
and has the highest career playoff scoring average,and is 3rd all time for points scored.he led the league in scoring 10 times and 7 consecutively.so how is oscar a better scorer?or even in the discussion to be a better player

as far as kobe,kobe shoots better than mike from 3 and he creates of the dribble better.and as usual you have zero knowledge so you resort to your usual idiotic off topic rant

[Levcon8686]

Another thing, back to point 2. That's not a modern phenomenon. **** been happening like that since forever. Take Harry Greb for instance. It's either him or Robinson for #1 MW all time according to raters, statistically speaking. How long you think it's been that way? Certainly wasn't the case when Nat Fleischer, or his peers, were doing ratings.

Took till about the 80s before Harry Greb > Stanley Ketchel was a majority consensus. Yet Greb retired (died) in the 20s.

This is an excellent point. Pacquaio and Mayweather will both benefit from time appreciation in the future.