Boxing Historians Do You Think Manny Pacquiao Has Ever Take Steroids Or Performing E.

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Again, it's all too generalistic to assume that we all care about money. There are people out there who have given up millions of dollar in inheritance money just to marry someone they're parents or family didn't approve of. I know a doctor who gave up a high paying stint so that she could help sick people in Guatamela. Not all of us care about money.

Manny came from nothing and made himself something. For all we know, $ 5 million dollars and $ 40 million, makes no difference to him anymore. You don't think he knows that Arum takes a good chunk of change from him? Do you think entourage works for free? I think, as long as he makes enough to keep the lifestyle his family is used to now, he's fine. He don't need no more. This is a guy who is a boxing star, movie star, singing star, and could be political star. While most boxers only have money coming from boxing, his is coming from everywhere. He don't need an extra $ 40 million dollars if it means he will give up the right to make his own decisions. I truly believe that if you let Manny pick between money and control over his career, at this stage, he'll pick the latter, no questions asked.

I didn't say Floyd is afraid of losing his "0". I said he is MORE afraid of losing it THAN Pac is afraid of testing positive for PED. That being said, I think Pac is more dangerous than Mosley AT this moment in time and PBF should easily win by UD against a 39 year old, inactive Shane. With Pac, the risk is higher because he is on his prime and improving, actually. So there is a greater risk of losing the "0" to Pac than Shane and thus, the gamesmanship. It's all part of PBF's strategy. If he can beat you before the fight is ever signed, he will. There is nothing wrong with this. Why do you think he trains all year? For PBF, the fight doesn't start in training camp, it already started. In, out, pre-fight, promo, weigh-in. He is always thinking about boxing and winning. PBF is the consummate fighter.

The Pac camp excuses about blood testing were comical, if not pathetic. But again, I think it was about losing control. When they realized that they were giving up to much of it, they backed out and came out with laughable excuses, one after the other. It was hilarious. Didn't do Manny any good.

Let me guess. Pac threatened to walk away from the Hatton fight over money, because he does NOT care about money, it was only because he felt he had to get what he deserved and he is such a fair person.

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Let me guess. Pac threatened to walk away from the Hatton fight over money, because he does NOT care about money, it was only because he felt he had to get what he deserved and he is such a fair person.

Repeat for the Oscar fight. Then look at the split for Clottey.

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I could understand him dropping the Mayweather fight if Mayweather wanted only PacMan to take the testing but with both taking it, makes him turning the fight down due to the blood testing rather sketchy to me. I'd say PacMan's 10 million a pound over rule is far more extravagant but to be honest I think this is all just posturing by both fighters. I truly think like another poster said neither fighter wants to look desperate so the fight broke down.

If PacMan is truely using PED's until he fails a test he is just as clean as any other fighter with a "clean" record in my mind. If Mayweather was truly scared of losing his "0" I doubt he would have took the Shane fight given that he could very easily gave the steroid run around to Shane and fought a fighter that he could clearly destroy (Paulie M, Nate Campbell).

I honestly think the style of testing that Mayweather proposed should be done for every fight anyways, the current testing scheme is fairly weak compared to the complexity of modern PED's.

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he felt he had to get what he deserved and he is such a fair person.

And rightfully so.

But his walk out demands were not exhorbitant, he just wanted a 50-50 split and I think they didn't even get into dollar figures but percentage wise, which tells me it's more about control, pride and billing with the Hatton fight.

The figures could have been 2 million or 30 million it didn't matter as long as the cut was 50-50. I know you were being sarcastic about Manny being fair but how UNFAIR could 50-50 be?

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And rightfully so.

But his walk out demands were not exhorbitant, he just wanted a 50-50 split and I think they didn't even get into dollar figures but percentage wise, which tells me it's more about control, pride and billing with the Hatton fight.

The figures could have been 2 million or 30 million it didn't matter as long as the cut was 50-50. I know you were being sarcastic about Manny being fair but how UNFAIR could 50-50 be?

Except he demanded more than 50-50.

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You can't convince me Manny doesn't care about money. Clottey's purse split speaks volumes.

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I could understand him dropping the Mayweather fight if Mayweather wanted only PacMan to take the testing but with both taking it, makes him turning the fight down due to the blood testing rather sketchy to me. I'd say PacMan's 10 million a pound over rule is far more extravagant but to be honest I think this is all just posturing by both fighters. I truly think like another poster said neither fighter wants to look desperate so the fight broke down.

If PacMan is truely using PED's until he fails a test he is just as clean as any other fighter with a "clean" record in my mind. If Mayweather was truly scared of losing his "0" I doubt he would have took the Shane fight given that he could very easily gave the steroid run around to Shane and fought a fighter that he could clearly destroy (Paulie M, Nate Campbell).

I honestly think the style of testing that Mayweather proposed should be done for every fight anyways, the current testing scheme is fairly weak compared to the complexity of modern PED's.

Completely agreed, and not just in boxing, but all professional sports.

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Except he demanded more than 50-50.

You're right. I think he wanted 52/48 but again, I think this was more about pride, billing, and importance because both parties threatened to walk at 50/50.

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You can't convince me Manny doesn't care about money. Clottey's purse split speaks volumes.

I could say the same thing that you can't convince me that Manny cares about money. You don't think Manny deserves the split arrangements he has with Clottey? Do you think Clottey deserves 50/50?

We're going off topic maybe you should make another thread and I'll buzz you there.

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I honestly think the style of testing that Mayweather proposed should be done for every fight anyways, the current testing scheme is fairly weak compared to the complexity of modern PED's.

I wholeheartedly agree with this and I hope the boxing commissions are listening. It's about time.