Best fighter ever, pre 1940.

[Spartacus Sully]

We're not going to find any level ground on this, I can already tell, so I'll let it go before either of us gets off track and turns this thread into a flame,

I believe all the fighters I named were better p4p fighters than Jeff. That isn't meant to diminish what he accomplished, these men just did more. Beat better fighters, more longevity. I'll add Johnson to that list as well. Besides Tunney all took on the very best of the best regardless of color. Unfortunately Jeffries cannot claim this.

who did jeffries duck because of color?

[JAB5239]

who did jeffries duck because of color?

Considering he wouldn't fight any black contenders while champion I'll have to say all of them.

[Spartacus Sully]

Considering he wouldn't fight any black contenders while champion I'll have to say all of them.

Wouldnt or Couldnt? I believe the quote twords johnson was something to the extent of " how about you me and the belt go down to the basement and who ever walks out with the belt can keep it" to which johnson decline.

[JAB5239]

Wouldnt or Couldnt? I believe the quote twords johnson was something to the extent of " how about you me and the belt go down to the basement and who ever walks out with the belt can keep it" to which johnson decline.

what does that have to do with the sport of boxing? What does that have to do with Jeffries not fighting ANY black contenders while he held the title?

[roxy]

I don't know alot about that era, but wasn't Joe Louis fighting in the 30's?

[Spartacus Sully]

what does that have to do with the sport of boxing? What does that have to do with Jeffries not fighting ANY black contenders while he held the title?

wasnt it the law back then? the story shows he wasnt ducking any one and would have fought him if he could.

you say greb took on all contenders and fought every one regardless of color, but were there any laws in place that stated that an african american couldn't fight him at any point during his career? No? so really what you ment was that they all fought every one they were allowed to fight but wait didnt jeffries fight every one he was allowed to fight? i see no diffrence along with no reason to put greb or any one else on a pedastool above jeffries just because they were legally allowed to do stuff he wasnt.

[Spartacus Sully]

I don't know alot about that era, but wasn't Joe Louis fighting in the 30's?

37-49 hw champ i guess he could be in the running but what he did in those 3 years isnt really all that much compared to other peoples entire carrers

[JAB5239]

wasnt it the law back then? the story shows he wasnt ducking any one and would have fought him if he could.

you say greb took on all contenders and fought every one regardless of color, but were there any laws in place that stated that an african american couldn't fight him at any point during his career? No? so really what you ment was that they all fought every one they were allowed to fight but wait didnt jeffries fight every one he was allowed to fight? i see no diffrence along with no reason to put greb or any one else on a pedastool above jeffries just because they were legally allowed to do stuff he wasnt.

Nope you're 100% wrong. No laws, just racist beliefs that prevented worthy fighters from getting their shot. Sorry, but Jeffries is guilty of this during his title reign. I know George Dixon won a title in the 1890's and Joe Gans won his lightweight title in 1900, I believe. Are you trying to say these men of color were allowed to fight for world championships but it was illegal for a black heavyweight to do so?

You're reaching now my friend.

[Spartacus Sully]

Nope you're 100% wrong. No laws, just racist beliefs that prevented worthy fighters from getting their shot. Sorry, but Jeffries is guilty of this during his title reign. I know George Dixon won a title in the 1890's and Joe Gans won his lightweight title in 1900, I believe. Are you trying to say these men of color were allowed to fight for world championships but it was illegal for a black heavyweight to do so?

You're reaching now my friend.

Im saying that no colored man was allowed to hold the world heavy weight championship belt. they were allowed any other belt except the world heavy weight championship belt. the colored people of the time that were heavy weights would compete for the world colored heavyweight champonship belt.



The World Colored Heavyweight Championship was a belt issued to black boxers in the early twentieth century. This was the only heavyweight championship available to blacks prior to Jack Johnson being crowned World Heavyweight Champion.

Though i cant find anything about a law actually being put into place. so maybe it was just as it was though it seems odd to put out the effort of creating a seperate title for african americans if there wasnt any rules keeping them from fighting for the heavy weight title.

[JAB5239]

Im saying that no colored man was allowed to hold the world heavy weight championship belt. they were allowed any other belt except the world heavy weight championship belt. the colored people of the time that were heavy weights would compete for the world colored heavyweight champonship belt.



The World Colored Heavyweight Championship was a belt issued to black boxers in the early twentieth century. This was the only heavyweight championship available to blacks prior to Jack Johnson being crowned World Heavyweight Champion.

There was no law preventing a black heavyweight from fighting for the heavyweight title. What stopped them from doing so was the racist climate of the times and white paranoia. Blacks had been issuing challenges since Peter Jackson tried to get a fight with John L. Sullivan only to be turned down as not worthy because of the color of their skin. Not illegal, frowned upon by a racist society which controlled the sport.