Name Some ATG Fighters Who Avoided Fighters?

[sonnyboyx2]

what are those video`s proving?

i was at Ruddock vs Lewis... Razor had a huge campervan parked on the carpark of Earls Court, i was sitting ringside as Ruddock was intervied by Larry Merchant after the fight and it was clear that the guy was "Damaged Goods" after 2 brutal beatings from Mike Tyson, having his jaw, cheek-bone & eye socket smashed..

Tommy Morrison was clearly on the downside of his career, he had been destroyed by Mercer and hammered in the opening round by one Michael Bentt, he was also devoting most of his time to acting in movies as well as being HIV positive...

Olympic final.. 17yrs old Bowe vs 21yrs old Lewis and the most bazaar stoppage in history.. Bowe easily wins the opening round, Lewis lands 2 punches at the start of round 2 and the referee stops the fight, Bowe walks over to his corner saying "what the f*** is happening here"

[TheGreatA]

you are deluded my friend... did not Chris Byrd beat David Tua & Holyfield far easier than Lewis had... did not Manny Stewart advise Lewis that Byrds style was `all wrong` for Lewis and that Byrd would make Lewis look foolish and in all probability lose a wide decision too... Did not John Ruiz beat Holyfield far easier than Lewis did, even flooring Holyfield something Lewis never came near to doing in 24rds..

You mean Lewis's left-overs? I'm fairly certain Steward never said Lewis would have come even close to losing to Byrd. Making Lewis look bad is much different from actually winning, and making opponents (and himself) look bad is what Byrd excelled in. It was simply an unattractive fight that no one wanted to see, especially with Lewis aging and coming closer and closer to retirement when big fights against Tyson and a Klitschko had not yet happened.

Ruiz did not beat Holyfield easier than Lewis. They were all ugly fights that were difficult to score.

Bowe was Heavyweight Champion of the World.. he mammered former champion Mike Dokes who was on a 10 fight win steak and ranked No5... he took on the winner of the Final Eliminator between Ray Mercer & Jesse Ferguson which Ferguson won.. if Bowe never fought him he would have been stripped of the belt.. Bowe then lost his $30 million rematch with Holyfield due to the infamous `fan-man` landing in the ring...

Dokes was shot to bits and had been nearly decapitated by Razor Ruddock years previously. He was on a winning streak over a group of journeymen and tomato cans but that in no way made him a legit challenger for Bowe's title, especially with Lewis around.

As far as I know, Ferguson vs Mercer was not a title eliminator of any kind with Ferguson having lost 4 of his last 5 fights, in fact it was a tune-up to get Mercer prepared for Bowe. Mercer suffered an embarrassing loss and Bowe decided to take on Ferguson instead but he was not forced to do so.

Here you are trying to make up Ferguson and Dokes viable contenders for Bowe while dismissing all of the challengers Lewis beat. If that doesn't show your obvious bias then nothing will.

Lewis chose to fight Grant and avoid Ruiz... Lewis knew that Grant was a tomato-can because he sat ringside with Donald Trump and watched Golota floor Grant before quitting when in front... Lewis ridiculed Ruiz calling him "Johnny Louise" and belittling the guy.. What Lewis failed to say was that he had used Ruiz as a sparring partner in London in 94 and could not handle the "Grappling-Hook" style of Ruiz.. so now that Ruiz had fought his way to No1 contender 5yrs later.. Lewis wanted nothing to do with him

No one thought Grant was a tomato can then, in fact he was much more highly regarded than the mostly unknown Ruiz. Ruiz had fought his way to being a contender by beating a string of nobodies and was not seen as a legit challenger for Lewis. He was not even in the top 10 while Grant was seen as top 3 in the division.

[sonnyboyx2]

What difference does it make, Tua was still a very dangerous opponent. I personally think he beat Ibeabuchi for the record.

If we were to go back in time and Lewis had not fought Tua can you honestly say you would not try to discredit Lewis for not fighting him? you know you would be caning him for it, reason? you just a hater.

Ibeabuchi was a clear unanimous winner.. Tua was over 30lbs heavier when he fought Lewis than what he weighed when he fought Ibeabuchi

Go back and read my post and you will see that i always claim David Tua to be one of the most over-rated fighters ever... The fattest man to ever fight for the title, yet Lewis fans claim him to be a great victory... he was fatter than both Buster Mathis & Two Ton Tony Galento.... ridiculous!

[Dynamite Kid]

Ibeabuchi was a clear unanimous winner.. Tua was over 30lbs heavier when he fought Lewis than what he weighed when he fought Ibeabuchi

Go back and read my post and you will see that i always claim David Tua to be one of the most over-rated fighters ever... The fattest man to ever fight for the title, yet Lewis fans claim him to be a great victory... he was fatter than both Buster Mathis & Two Ton Tony Galento.... ridiculous!

I cant remember what the scorecards were but if i remember right HBO thought Tua won the fight, either that or they had it extremely close. BTW no one won that fight clearly, Ibeabuchi was winning all the early round but he gassed mid fight and it was mostly Tua for the second half and he hurt Ibeabuchi.

See your arguments are the kind of stuff a 14 year old would come out with. Bottom line is as overrated as you apparently think Tua was you would still have used him as a stick to beat Lewis with if Lewis had not fought him so what does that say about you? thats right, Hater!

[BattlingNelson]

Lightweight Packey McFarland was one the most avoided fighters in history. He went undefeated in some 100+ fights to end his career. He most undeservedly never got a titleshot. Those who ducked him was primarily Ad Wolgast and secondly Battling Nelson.

Also Sam Langford needs to be mentioned. He is arguably the most avoided fighter in championship history.

[sonnyboyx2]

You mean Lewis's left-overs? I'm fairly certain Steward never said Lewis would have come even close to losing to Byrd. Making Lewis look bad is much different from actually winning, and making opponents (and himself) look bad is what Byrd excelled in. It was simply an unattractive fight that no one wanted to see, especially with Lewis aging and coming closer and closer to retirement when big fights against Tyson and a Klitschko had not yet happened.

Ruiz did not beat Holyfield easier than Lewis. They were all ugly fights that were difficult to score.



Dokes was shot to bits and had been nearly decapitated by Razor Ruddock years previously. He was on a winning streak over a group of journeymen and tomato cans but that in no way made him a legit challenger for Bowe's title, especially with Lewis around.

As far as I know, Ferguson vs Mercer was not a title eliminator of any kind with Ferguson having lost 4 of his last 5 fights, in fact it was a tune-up to get Mercer prepared for Bowe. Mercer suffered an embarrassing loss and Bowe decided to take on Ferguson instead but he was not forced to do so.

Here you are trying to make up Ferguson and Dokes viable contenders for Bowe while dismissing all of the challengers Lewis beat. If that doesn't show your obvious bias then nothing will.



No one thought Grant was a tomato can then, in fact he was much more highly regarded than the mostly unknown Ruiz. Ruiz had fought his way to being a contender by beating a string of nobodies and was not seen as a legit challenger for Lewis. He was not even in the top 10 while Grant was seen as top 3 in the division.

This post Great A... tells me that you are not as clued up on boxing as you try to make out my friend... in fact i am rather dissapiointed in you because i thought of you as knowledgable i now know different..

Mercer vs Ferguson was the infamous "bribe fight" where Mercer offered Ferguson a bribe to "lie-down" Ferguson refused and punched out a clear verdict over Mercer, a court case failed to prove Mercer guilty but with the No1 contender being beaten Bowe took on the victor in Ferguson...

Manny Stewart advised Lewis not to fight Chris Byrd whos style was all wrong for Lewis and Lewis would most likey lose a wide decision..If Stewart thought Lewis could beat Byrd then he would have fought Byrd.. what kind of champion is it that just refuses to fight the No1 contenders.. some on this subject are calling Rid**** Bowe for not figfhtinf Lewis when Lewis was No1 contender.. talk about double standards..

Lewis vs Vitali Klitschko was never mooted... Lewis was to fight Kirk Johnson who pulled out threw injury so Vitali stepped in.. the Lewis camp thought Vitali was a tomato-can

Ruiz even floored Holyfield, something Lewis never came near to doing.. Ruiz vs Holyfield was 1-1-1 yet Ruiz should have won all 3 whereas Lewis should have been awarded the winner in his first fight with Holyfield and Holyfield was a clear winner in their 2nd fight with 43 of 48 ringside reporters thinking Holyfield was a clear winner.

you claim Dokes was nearly decapitated by Ruddock years earlier.. yet he was on a 10 fight win streak... Morrison had been nearly decapitated years earlier by Ray Mercer and again by Michael Bent but you put that up as a great competitive match-up with Lewis..

Rid**** Bowe can be found on youtube on film saying "Lennox Lewis priced himself out of their fight in 92" knowing he would be given the title... who are you or myself to call the guy a liar... why would he lie!

you are just making up assumptions which you believe to be true yet you have zero evidence

[Dynamite Kid]

Rid**** Bowe can be found on youtube on film saying "Lennox Lewis priced himself out of their fight in 92" knowing he would be given the title... who are you or myself to call the guy a liar... why would he lie!

Bowe tossed Lewis a low ball offer, how many times do people have to go over these things with you. If you like i will find the article in Sports illustrated that says how Bowe low balled him because he knew it would get rejected.

[sonnyboyx2]

I cant remember what the scorecards were but if i remember right HBO thought Tua won the fight, either that or they had it extremely close. BTW no one won that fight clearly, Ibeabuchi was winning all the early round but he gassed mid fight and it was mostly Tua for the second half and he hurt Ibeabuchi.

See your arguments are the kind of stuff a 14 year old would come out with. Bottom line is as overrated as you apparently think Tua was you would still have used him as a stick to beat Lewis with if Lewis had not fought him so what does that say about you? thats right, Hater!

as always your talking shi#te.. Ibeabuchi won by unanimous decision... 117-111, 115-114, 116-113

[Dynamite Kid]

as always your talking shi#te.. Ibeabuchi won by unanimous decision... 117-111, 115-114, 116-113

On the official!! cards yeah but did Azumah Nelson deserves the official verdict he got against Jeff Fenech or the one Ramirez got against Whitaker.

Anyone with half a brain could see that was an extremely close you only have to look at the punch stats to see that.

[GJC]

Muhammad Ali never ducked no 4th fight with Norton.. Ali lost his title to Leon Spinks.. Spinks was to defend against Norton but chose to give Ali a rematch so was stripped by the WBC of their belt.

Norton and Holmes fought for the WBC title 3 months before the Ali Spinks rematch.

Sugar Ray Leonard v Hearns - early in career-- never heard that before.

Pretty sure its in 4 Kings, if you have? I'll lay my hands on it and let you have a page number. Not sure whether Leonard even knew of the prospective fight but Dundee blocked it purely because why fight for ?00k now when you can fight for ?0 mill in a couple of years.

SRR vs Burley -- Never ever heard this before, do you have a source or link?

I'll not go into the Lewis Tyson bit as GreatA and Dynamite have pretty much covered that far more eloquantly than I could.