Did any fighter ever look more spectacular than Roy Jones Jr?

[kara]

Roy would have been one of the greatest fighters of all time had he retired after the Ruiz win and not taken the bait to cut over 25 pounds of muscle for Tarver

[jaded]

If Toney was "on the slide big time" at 26 wtf was RJJ (39) & Bhop (43) on when Joe fought them? You can't have rules for thee, but not for me with this on a big slide sh^t. Toney went on to beat Jirov & Holyfield. And an elder Bhop almost beat Joe, RJJ beat a 28yr old Bhop. Ain't no way a prime late 20's, early 30's Bhop woulda lost to Joe. And again those 2 elder opp fights are Joe's signature W's. RJJ gots numerous signature wins among HOF guys & other belt guys.

What I meant was Toney by the time he fought Charles Williams (watch the fight again) & RJJ, was done a 168, and only had success at 175 with lesser opposition, losing twice to Montell Griffin. It wasn't his age...he was young. It was his lack of discipline. Toney DID have some success at CW and HW, but Jirov and Holyfield were 9 years later after RJJ, and Holyfield was getting old. I actually sent Holyfield an email after that fight telling him to retire, I told him I didn't want to see him get hurt anymore. His trainer threw in the towel...it was very sad. He got beaten a year earlier by a blown up mw in Chris Byrd.

When Calzaghe fought RJJ he was only 3 years younger than Roy himself, and retired after the fight. Hopkins at 43 was still a force to be reckoned with...he was on a whole different level having beaten Tarver 2 years earlier, Winky Wright the year after, and Kelly Pavlik 6 months after the Calzaghe fight...he may have been 43, but he wasn't really terribly far from prime to his credit. Hopkins was way better at 35 than he was at 28...he was a late bloomer.

Sorry, but RJJ had a few names missing from his resume that would have made the difference...

Michalczewski WBA WBO IBF Ring Magazine Linear Lt Heavyweight Champion, Graciano Rochigiani WBC Lt Heavyweight Champion, Vassiliy Jirov, Michael Nunn, Gerald McClellan, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Steve Collins...to name a few.

You and I tend to disagree on a lot of things...this is just another one of those things.

[beautyistruth]

Calzaghe was also past his prime at 36 years old when he fought RJJ, who was 3 years older. And Bernard Hopkins was an anomaly when he was in his early 40's...he was still like a guy at least 10 years younger. Nobody aged as well as Hopkins.

They all were super dedicated freaks to their fitness and training and all three were still visibly great in their late 30s early 40s. Just like how Djokovic is proving now in tennis at 36. And Nadal and Federer were also great in their late 30s. Calzaghe will never get the credit he earned from the main****** media, only the hardcores understand Joe Calzaghe actually may be the greatest fighter of all time. He was too great to have endings like Ali, Robinson, Leonard, Duran. He had the sense to realize when he was done and departed. Calzaghe and Golovkin both were absolutely insanely superhuman champions.

[Rockin']

They all were super dedicated freaks to their fitness and training and all three were still visibly great in their late 30s early 40s. Just like how Djokovic is proving now in tennis at 36. And Nadal and Federer were also great in their late 30s. Calzaghe will never get the credit he earned from the main****** media, only the hardcores understand Joe Calzaghe actually may be the greatest fighter of all time. He was too great to have endings like Ali, Robinson, Leonard, Duran. He had the sense to realize when he was done and departed. Calzaghe and Golovkin both were absolutely insanely superhuman champions.

Calzaghe slapped like a fast little beotch.

And when he wasn't slapping his opponent he was cuffing them.

A solid, legal blow seemed rare in his later days.

Case in point: Calzaghe vs Lacey.

Lacey would not have been leaking like he was if it weren't for Calzaghes slapping/cuffing.
...............Rockin'

[elfag]

Roy would have been one of the greatest fighters of all time had he retired after the Ruiz win and not taken the bait to cut over 25 pounds of muscle for Tarver

he didnt cut 25 pounds of muscle, he was 193 for Ruiz and he weighed in full clothes. IDK why people keep parroting 25 pounds all these years later. he barely gained any weight, he just didnt have to do the cutting process.

[elfag]

What I meant was Toney by the time he fought Charles Williams (watch the fight again) & RJJ, was done a 168, and only had success at 175 with lesser opposition, losing twice to Montell Griffin. It wasn't his age...he was young. It was his lack of discipline. Toney DID have some success at CW and HW, but Jirov and Holyfield were 9 years later after RJJ, and Holyfield was getting old. I actually sent Holyfield an email after that fight telling him to retire, I told him I didn't want to see him get hurt anymore. His trainer threw in the towel...it was very sad. He got beaten a year earlier by a blown up mw in Chris Byrd.

When Calzaghe fought RJJ he was only 3 years younger than Roy himself, and retired after the fight. Hopkins at 43 was still a force to be reckoned with...he was on a whole different level having beaten Tarver 2 years earlier, Winky Wright the year after, and Kelly Pavlik 6 months after the Calzaghe fight...he may have been 43, but he wasn't really terribly far from prime to his credit. Hopkins was way better at 35 than he was at 28...he was a late bloomer.

Sorry, but RJJ had a few names missing from his resume that would have made the difference...

Michalczewski WBA WBO IBF Ring Magazine Linear Lt Heavyweight Champion, Graciano Rochigiani WBC Lt Heavyweight Champion, Vassiliy Jirov, Michael Nunn, Gerald McClellan, Nigel Benn, Chris Eubank, Steve Collins...to name a few.

You and I tend to disagree on a lot of things...this is just another one of those things.

You want to criticize Roy's resume while hyping up Calzaghe in the same post. really dude

[beautyistruth]

he didnt cut 25 pounds of muscle, he was 193 for Ruiz and he weighed in full clothes. IDK why people keep parroting 25 pounds all these years later. he barely gained any weight, he just didnt have to do the cutting process.

People believe most of the propaganda excuses they are told. It's just human nature, most people are good and don't instantly sense lies and deceptions. Some people actually believed all of Wilder's excuses for losing to Fury. :0

[GhostofDempsey]

I was a big fan of Roy. I was in awe of his speed and reflexes and how he toyed with opponents. I was also critical of him not fighting Benn, Michalczewski, Collins, and trying to win a title at Cruiser. I know he didn't want to fight in Europe for fear of being robbed like he was in the Olympics in Korea, but looking back there was an opportunity for him to fight at least once across the pond against one of their best and he didn't. By the time the steroid speculation began circling the sport, I became a bit more suspect of his speed and power. His physique was absolutely shredded, and as he came back down from HW he was never the same fighter again. Fighters who rely upon reflexes and speed have to make adjustments as they get older or they'll end up knocked out. Roy didn't or couldn't make those adjustments and he lost by a string of brutal knockouts towards the end of his career. Nonetheless he was one of the most exciting fighters to watch in real time.

[Rockin']

Roy would have been one of the greatest fighters of all time had he retired after the Ruiz win and not taken the bait to cut over 25 pounds of muscle for Tarver

He still is one of the greatest fighters in my eyes................Rockin'

[Marchegiano]

Yup

But I reckon Pac's an overrated cry baby who was given more gifts than any other boxer I've ever known about and built an entire career out of being a Money stopper then didn't even do a very good job against Mayweather and tried to cry his way out of it.

Trained by a parky prick who never did very well and admitted he's more of a friend holding gloves and hanging out than a trainer willing to push his athletes.

Bops around like he's doing kung fu only for it to lead to a deficit and force him to box back to control.

I don't hate on the talent, with a real trainer, and fair judging Pac probably would have been what people claimed he is. Sad, he ain't **** and I doubt history will hold up his bull****.

8 weight divisions was promotional nonsense for the casuals, y'all know it, and when he becomes a historical figure there is only one way to tell that story.