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    #11
    Originally posted by Willow The Wisp View Post
    Wait....What about "Jaws" Ocasio?
    You mean that slick guy who was so slick that he was a kind of southpaw that wasn't really a southpaw? that guy?
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      #12
      Originally posted by billeau2 View Post

      You mean that slick guy who was so slick that he was a kind of southpaw that wasn't really a southpaw? that guy?
      That's the one!

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        #13
        Originally posted by billeau2 View Post
        It is great to see this thread! I personally believe this point about the relative amount of Southpaws in the heavyweights history is vital here and Z's failure to understand it, should not be accepted as a mere oversight. Being a true believer in the Socratic method I tried to lead him with a clue. And for all it did I might have just as well not put the effort in.

        If it is true as some believe that Lefty's are smarter than the general population I am willing to bet Z is a righty!
        That would be the only thing that is right about him! lol
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          #14
          Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

          - - Still be infinitely higher than the previous 100 years of boxing...duh......thanks for the reminder...
          I agree it would be. But my point is it would still be a very low percentage.

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            #15
            Originally posted by billeau2 View Post

            And if tomorrow every heavyweight became a southpaw pray tell WHAT does this have to do with when Lewis was fighting and the general amount of Southpaw heavyweights in the past? Logic is your FRIEND!!! Just ask Queenie!!!.... errr wait a second, don't..ask Queenie...
            My reply is that Lewis did not fight any southpaws. He did not fight any tricky boxers. He avoided them and gave up his belts. Why? I provided the names of them. Like you said use your logical reasoning.

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              #16
              It is great to see this thread! I personally believe this point about the relative amount of Southpaws in the heavyweights history is vital here and Z's failure to understand it, should not be accepted as a mere oversight. Being a true believer in the Socratic method I tried to lead him with a clue. And for all it did I might have just as well not put the effort in.

              If it is true as some believe that Lefty's are smarter than the general population I am willing to bet Z is a righty!
              Actually I am ambidextrous, and played some sports with either hand or foot. For example in soccer and NFL football I use my left foot primarily for kicking and striking, when I took martial arts, the same. In baseball I am a switch hitter. I can write with either hand but was trained with my right hand.

              But unlike Ivich, I don't claim a 137 IQ ( he did just that ). Where can we bet against that!

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                #17
                Originally posted by JAB5239 View Post

                I agree it would be. But my point is it would still be a very low percentage.
                - - Duh, the point you missed being the 90s was a transition era leading up to today where lefties hold a much higher % of titles than their % of the population.

                They have dominated baseball stats for over 100 years because they were exalted by Baseball instead of being banned by boxing for 100 years.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by Dr. Z View Post

                  My reply is that Lewis did not fight any southpaws. He did not fight any tricky boxers. He avoided them and gave up his belts. Why? I provided the names of them. Like you said use your logical reasoning.
                  No such category as "almost like a Southpaw" or "Tricky Boxer." And then you also have Ray Mercer, who some might consider a bit of a trickster. Assuming we are talking about fighters that are unconventional and problematic... Sanders and Ruiz do not meet that criteria, your only fighter is Byrd! You make this way too easy.

                  You are trying to build a castle out of sand bits... there is no argument for these categories, and lewis ducked nobody. He fought Grant instead of Ruiz, for good reason, and had a friendship with Sanders, who also lost to Hasim... and lewis did not fight Byrd... Big deal! lol.
                  Last edited by billeau2; 07-12-2023, 11:21 AM.
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                    #19
                    Originally posted by Dr. Z View Post

                    Actually I am ambidextrous, and played some sports with either hand or foot. For example in soccer and NFL football I use my left foot primarily for kicking and striking, when I took martial arts, the same. In baseball I am a switch hitter. I can write with either hand but was trained with my right hand.

                    But unlike Ivich, I don't claim a 137 IQ ( he did just that ). Where can we bet against that!
                    LOL! You can't write with either hand! LOL!
                    Last edited by Ivich; 07-12-2023, 04:24 PM.
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by Dr. Z View Post

                      My reply is that Lewis did not fight any southpaws. He did not fight any tricky boxers. He avoided them and gave up his belts. Why? I provided the names of them. Like you said use your logical reasoning.
                      Again I ask. Which tricky orthodox boxers did he avoid?

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