Gene Tunney

[Southpaw16BF]

BOXREC isn't a reliable source for fights -1940's........

[TheGreatA]

I'm actually about to upload a Gene Tunney tribute video that I made recently.

[Southpaw16BF]

I'm actually about to upload a Gene Tunney tribute video that I made recently.

Cool, are you part of that BoxingUnion channel on U Tube?

[TheGreatA]

Cool, are you part of that BoxingUnion channel on U Tube?

Yes although I only upload the highlight videos that I've made on that channel.

[GJC]

Just had a look and it has it as a draw?

Also haven't that updated one of the Greb fights to a draw too?
Fair bit of thought that Greb should have nicked one of their other fights maybe the draw is a nod to that?

[TheGreatA]

Just had a look and it has it as a draw?

Also haven't that updated one of the Greb fights to a draw too?
Fair bit of thought that Greb should have nicked one of their other fights maybe the draw is a nod to that?

Seems like the outcomes of certain old time fights change almost on a monthly basis at boxrec.com. This thread is from 2008 by the way, back when they changed a win over Loughran to a loss to Loughran for Tunney.

[GJC]

Seems like the outcomes of certain old time fights change almost on a monthly basis at boxrec.com. This thread is from 2008 by the way, back when they changed a win over Loughran to a loss to Loughran for Tunney.

Ah someone must have bumped it.
That draw for Tunney v Greb has changed recently though or is it my old eyes?

[TheGreatA]

[BennyST]

According to boxrec.com he has now lost two times (previously he had only one listed loss to Harry Greb). It seems silly but that's how it is.





What do you all think of this decision? Loughran was one of the biggest names on Tunney's resume, although the wins over Dempsey and Greb cemented his legacy.




In my opinion Loughran is a very underrated boxer. The fight with Tunney would probably better be listed as a no-decision though.

That is just absurd. There is nothing else to say but that. Why would they take the word of one newspaper over another when the one they are using is from that fighters hometown?

It has been a ND for eighty plus years, so why change it now? Is there some Philly guy now running boxrec? Give me a break! It was a ND at the time and everyone was happy with that. Who the hell are boxrec to change history so flippantly?

[BennyST]

I'm actually about to upload a Gene Tunney tribute video that I made recently.

Hey mate, that was fantastic.

I think some of these guys that refuse to believe that any fighter from before the 1970's could beat some one today only needs to look at fighters like Tunney, Gans etc. They would rule whatever era they were in.

Although, in fact, I believe that a champion in era could be a champion in another era, though there are some exceptions, most of those being champions from very weak eras or half the champions today...literally.

As Ali was stating though, Tunney could have fought in any era the same way he fought then and he would give whoever hell. He was slick, good chin, fast, defensively great, had very good combinations.....everything a fighter could want and he was a big LHW. Not by today's standards, but he was a genuine LHW, not a little guy that just moved up to LHW. He could have been a Byrd-esque Hw today even.

I think one of the biggest problems facing a lot of people is that they can't look past the frame rate of old video. If you see some old videos in the frame rate they had back then, they look like monkeys bouncing about half the time, because large percentages of their full movement is cut out and so it makes them look jerky, uncoordinated and as if they have no technique.

However, when you see the great fighters in slow motion which means you can see much more of their movement as it would have looked like now, they look no different than anyone fighting today. They do have stylistic differences obviously, but these were also due to things that would not be hard to change from era to era. The very slick fighters of today hold their hands low just as they did back then for the same reasons too (which was to be able to confuse the opponent as to when you were going to throw a jab as you can flick it out much quicker from your hip and it's harder to tell when it's coming etc etc), though the right is held up more now.

Argh....ranting again.

Great vid A.