Top 10 Heavies from best to worst

[sleone60]

#4 insulting our sport

How does a fighter make a top 10 greatest list having NEVER:

Beaten a fighter of equal skills

Won or even fought competitively after being knocked down

Engaged competitively in a give & take war even if losing

Lost all fights by KO

Never avenged a defeat

Lost to 3 out right bums and 2 aging greats

Never displayed the heart repeatedly show by heavyweights who would never be considered for a list like this

And what kind of ball butter would install such a mutt at #4 thereby insulting REAL fighters??

[Granath]

How does a fighter make a top 10 greatest list having NEVER:

Beaten a fighter of equal skills

Won or even fought competitively after being knocked down

Engaged competitively in a give & take war even if losing

Lost all fights by KO

Never avenged a defeat

Lost to 3 out right bums and 2 aging greats

Never displayed the heart repeatedly show by heavyweights who would never be considered for a list like this

And what kind of ball butter would install such a mutt at #4 thereby insulting REAL fighters??

Might help if we knew whose list you were referring to. There's only like a few hundred in this thread.

[Tom Cruise]

Hello all.

Ive done a list cross referencing opponents with Rings annual rankings to find who has fought/beaten the most. Done all the Lineal champs (from Tunney to Wlad) and a few contenders too. I used the rankings from the year before the fight as that made more sense (better to have rankings from before they fought rather than after).

Not gonna post the breakdown of all the individual records, but if you want a specific one let me know. Every fighter misses out on a few (yearly rankings never gonna be fullproof when rankings change throughout a year), but its generally painted a pretty interesting picture. Fighters are seperated by no. of wins, then no. of top 5 wins, then top 3 wins, then least losses, and finally (as in the case of Foreman and Schmelling) alphabetical order.

The rankings so far...

1. Muhammad Ali: 28-4
2. Joe Louis: 26-3
3. Ezzard Charles: 15-6
4. Larry Holmes: 14-4
5. Lennox Lewis: 13-2-1
6. Jack Sharkey: 12-6-1
7. Wladimir Klitschko: 11-2
8. Mike Tyson: 11-4
9. Jersey Joe Walcott: 11-8
10. Evander Holyfield: 10-5-1
11. Eddie Machen: 10-6-1
12. Floyd Patterson: 9-6
13. Max Baer: 9-4
14. Rocky Marciano: 9-0
15. Sonny Liston: 8-3
16. Joe Frazier: 8-4
17. Zora Folley: 8-4-2
18. George Foreman: 7-4
19. Max Schmelling: 7-4
20. Primo Carnera: 6-5
21. Archie Moore: 5-2
22. Gene Tunney: 4-0
23. Jerry Quarry: 4-7-1
24. Ken Norton: 4-5
25. Vitali Klitschko: 4-1
26. James J Braddock: 3-2
27. Jimmy Young: 3-5-1
28. Rid**** Bowe: 3-1
29. Michael Spinks: 2-1
30. Ingemar Johansson: 2-2
31. James Douglas: 2-2
32. Hasim Rahman: 2-6-1
33. Leon Spinks: 2-3
34. Michael Moorer: 1-2

I realise this isnt going to tally into a genuine ATG list, but still pretty interesting to see it in plain, relatively unbiased numbers, based on the opinions of writers who were contemporaries of the fighters they were talking about.

[Tom Cruise]

Hello all.

Ive done a list cross referencing opponents with Rings annual rankings to find who has fought/beaten the most. Done all the Lineal champs (from Tunney to Wlad) and a few contenders too. I used the rankings from the year before the fight as that made more sense (better to have rankings from before they fought rather than after).

Not gonna post the breakdown of all the individual records, but if you want a specific one let me know. Every fighter misses out on a few (yearly rankings never gonna be fullproof when rankings change throughout a year), but its generally painted a pretty interesting picture. Fighters are seperated by no. of wins, then no. of top 5 wins, then top 3 wins, then least losses, and finally (as in the case of Foreman and Schmelling) alphabetical order.

The rankings so far...

1. Muhammad Ali: 28-4
2. Joe Louis: 26-3
3. Ezzard Charles: 15-6
4. Larry Holmes: 14-4
5. Lennox Lewis: 13-2-1
6. Jack Sharkey: 12-6-1
7. Wladimir Klitschko: 11-2
8. Mike Tyson: 11-4
9. Jersey Joe Walcott: 11-8
10. Evander Holyfield: 10-5-1
11. Eddie Machen: 10-6-1
12. Floyd Patterson: 9-6
13. Max Baer: 9-4
14. Rocky Marciano: 9-0
15. Sonny Liston: 8-3
16. Joe Frazier: 8-4
17. Zora Folley: 8-4-2
18. George Foreman: 7-4
19. Max Schmelling: 7-4
20. Primo Carnera: 6-5
21. Archie Moore: 5-2
22. Gene Tunney: 4-0
23. Jerry Quarry: 4-7-1
24. Ken Norton: 4-5
25. Vitali Klitschko: 4-1
26. James J Braddock: 3-2
27. Jimmy Young: 3-5-1
28. Rid**** Bowe: 3-1
29. Michael Spinks: 2-1
30. Ingemar Johansson: 2-2
31. James Douglas: 2-2
32. Hasim Rahman: 2-6-1
33. Leon Spinks: 2-3
34. Michael Moorer: 1-2

I realise this isnt going to tally into a genuine ATG list, but still pretty interesting to see it in plain, relatively unbiased numbers, based on the opinions of writers who were contemporaries of the fighters they were talking about.

The biggest surprises for me so far were Ezzard Charles and Jack Sharkey ranking so high, and George Foreman and Rid**** Bowe ranking that low.

Eddie Machen as well has a hell of a record for a little remembered contender

[QueensburyRules]

--- post Rocky was a weaker era and Rocky not that strong of an era.

Moreover, with the death of Fleischer, Ring had a lotta mgr and owner turnover making comparisons inconsistent.

Nice idea though impossible to get in all the heavies fighting top guys.

[embryo]

Ali
Joe Louis
Ezzard Charles
Joe Walcott
Mike Tyson
Joe Frazier
Holyfield
Larry Holmes
George Foreman
Lennox Lewis

(LOL just for the record I am white, and I didn't even notice until now I didn't have one white guy on there...I guess you could put Marciano ahead of Lewis or Joe Frazier, and maybe even Holmes.)

[embryo]

--- post Rocky was a weaker era and Rocky not that strong of an era.

Moreover, with the death of Fleischer, Ring had a lotta mgr and owner turnover making comparisons inconsistent.

Nice idea though impossible to get in all the heavies fighting top guys.

I disagree..the Patterson/Johannsen, Liston, Clay, Frazier (and then ****ing FOREMAN) era was tougher than the Marciano era. Not by much, but I think it was tougher. Ezzard Charles and Joe Walcott def added to the toughness of the Marciano era.

[QueensburyRules]

I disagree..the Patterson/Johannsen, Liston, Clay, Frazier (and then ****ing FOREMAN) era was tougher than the Marciano era. Not by much, but I think it was tougher. Ezzard Charles and Joe Walcott def added to the toughness of the Marciano era.

--- It's OK to be an embryo. We all start out as one.

I'm specifically talking the Patterson era, and Sonny was a project in development that never really panned out.

He and young Clay fought 10 years after Rocky's last fight. That can be seen as 2 eras in the short shelf life of hvy contenders and champs.

[Rusty Tromboni]

Ali
Louis
Lewis
Holmes
Fury
Klitchko (Vitali)
Foreman
Tyson
Dempsey
Holyfield


This is a very difficult division to rank, and it really depends on the criteria of the ranker. For me, head-to-head matches, albeit hypothetical and unverifiable, matter a lot. But they can't be everything we go by. I mean, no one would call Rid**** Bowe or Wlad Kltichko or Ray Mercer a top 10 heavyweight.

On a P4P list, things look different: guys like Tunney, Marciano and Walcott fair much, much more favorably.

[HOUDINI563]

Fury has no business whatsoever on anyone’s top ten. Ridiculous.