Comments Thread For: Keyshawn Davis-Edwin De Los Santos heading to Norfolk on June 7

[kiaba360]

What's the reason behind it in your opinion?

They just had different starting points. Davis being a silver Olympic medalist gave him a international profile, which led to him being courted by both Top Rank and Matchroom. Hearn gave him spots on Canelo's undercards. On the other hand, Ennis started toiling away on the local pro circuit in 2016 after losing to Gary Russell in the Olympic trials. Ennis started getting featured on SHOBOX in 2018, and would sign a promotional contract with Cameron Dunkin in 2019. It seemed like Ennis was signed to PBC because he started being showcased on TGB shows in 2020. It appears like Ennis was signed to a smaller promoter (Dunkin) who was relying on a network (SHO) that was prioritizing a bigger promoter (TGB/PBC). Ennis wasn't going to be given the opportunity to usurp the likes of Spence/Thurman. On the other hand, Davis' promotional relationship was more stable, and it didn't take long for him to get co-main slots and contender status. Davis was only behind Shakur and Loma in the chain of priority....and now he's clear #1 in the queue because Shakur is gone and Loma is almost done. I bet they'd like to make Davis vs. Loma before Loma retires. In 2024, Davis got a title and a hometown headline. It took Ennis signing with a bigger promoter in MR before he could get the same treatment. And that only happened because he sued to get out of his contract with Dunkin.

Maybe Ennis has a better start to his career if he tried out for and made the 2020 Olympic team, and maybe his SHO tenure would've been better if he was with PBC instead of Dunkin.

[Corelone]

Bread telling us about the future and never mentions Moton. I cant see that type of slip

[PBR Streetgang]

Just pure lies and coddling. Boots had the option to fight fight Crawford for undisputed AND the most money he's ever made and turned it down. Also turned down a fight with ortiz for the most money he's ever made and turned it down.

You're right here making excuses

I'm talking about the beginning of his career only. If I recall correctly, Boots' first promoter was Chris Middendorf (a Mid-Atlantic regional promoter) and that was after he turned pro. Davis was getting courted by the big promoters before stepping in the pro ring.

When was the first time you heard of Boots? What was his record? How about Davis? The first time I heard Boots' name was well after he turned pro, I only knew that he was the younger brother of Farah. Keyshawn's first fight was televised.

If you don't think that a fighter's promotional backing and name recognition doesn't impact their ability to get fights, I don't know what to tell you.

[Bullrider]

Boots Ennis is clearly a skilled fighter, but he and Bozy lacked confidence in going after at least established names who were nearing retirement. He is a career welterweight and there were plenty of known names that he could have tried dancing with, Berto, Alexander, Guerrero, Mosley, Vargas, even Rios will do, Collazo, Josesito Lopez, etc., yet he preferred fighting total nobodies. He fought Avanesyan in his 33rd fight.

Quite clear it's a long-term business decision -- pad an undefeated record, skip names they felt threatened with, then cash in at the right time. Good for them they made the right decision as they're now cashing in/out. Not many prospects have that kind of luxury getting fed an unlimited amount of cans. Most of them are already thrown into the lions' den early in their careers and incur loses.

[crimsonfalcon07]

I may not blame it all on Shakur but definitely the majority of it. What would have been the point of DLS throwing punches to an opponent who is flying out of there. He was there to fight but he was there by himself. What I can say is that DLS needs to improve on cutting off the ring.

The point would have been to try to win the fight. Canelo couldn't cut the ring vs Scull, but still won because he was throwing punches. Teofimo Lopez couldn't cut the ring vs Jamaine Ortiz but still won, despite being outlanded, because he was throwing punches. Casimero couldn't cut the ring vs Rigo and didn't land squat, but won because he was throwing punches.

The guy on the inside has less distance to travel, so the faster he moves his feet, the more he makes the other guy work. Target the chest and body, and drive the action and it makes it much harder for the judges to give the round to the runner. The whole boxing world knows Shakur is a defensive fighter, and he's the champ. If you didn't prepare for that and come with all the volume, why even show up? Padley was landing. Is he a much better fighter than DLS? He had something like 4 days of warning for the fight and he still did better than DLS. You can't make that go away no matter how much you hate Shakur.

[jqSide]

Boots Ennis is clearly a skilled fighter, but he and Bozy lacked confidence in going after at least established names who were nearing retirement. He is a career welterweight and there were plenty of known names that he could have tried dancing with, Berto, Alexander, Guerrero, Mosley, Vargas, even Rios will do, Collazo, Josesito Lopez, etc., yet he preferred fighting total nobodies. He fought Avanesyan in his 33rd fight.
Quite clear it's a long-term business decision -- pad an undefeated record, skip names they felt threatened with, then cash in at the right time. Good for them they made the right decision as they're now cashing in/out.

Not many prospects have that kind of luxury getting fed an unlimited amount of cans. Most of them are already thrown into the lions' den early in their careers and incur loses.

Indeed. Eimantas Stanionis had only 14 fights on his record and already asked to fight at world level. Ennis was pressured when he was already in his 30th fight. His first step up was with a 40lb fighter in Lipinets, who was a more familiar name than he.

[TheIronMike]

Boots Ennis is clearly a skilled fighter, but he and Bozy lacked confidence in going after at least established names who were nearing retirement. He is a career welterweight and there were plenty of known names that he could have tried dancing with, Berto, Alexander, Guerrero, Mosley, Vargas, even Rios will do, Collazo, Josesito Lopez, etc., yet he preferred fighting total nobodies. He fought Avanesyan in his 33rd fight.

Quite clear it's a long-term business decision -- pad an undefeated record, skip names they felt threatened with, then cash in at the right time. Good for them they made the right decision as they're now cashing in/out. Not many prospects have that kind of luxury getting fed an unlimited amount of cans. Most of them are already thrown into the lions' den early in their careers and incur loses.

Its called bad management and development, and trying to take the fast route to money. Which lines up with eastern europe's culture of being known worldwide as scammers.

Hagler had his first title shot in his 50th fight.