Why the Mayweather-Pacquiao conflict can’t be resolved

[Willie Pep 229]

Mayweather was imo fantastic at 130 and below, he also did something really gutsy leaving Arum. But alas, Freud in civilization and its discontent talks about the brothers killing the father to marry the mother and I'll be damned if Floyd did not kill Arum the father to take his place of worship at the feet of Lady prosperity of the gold chain and watch.

While we saw greatness with a chance now to run free, he saw the money that went into others pockets and where it would wind up in his pocket.

I'm OK with those kinds of moves. I had no problem with him dumping Arum.

Also, I thought the McGregor fight was a smart move. A serious money grab for an easy fight.

I would never begrudge a fighter an easy payday.

I was all in for letting the Japanese crab guy chase Ali around the ring, kicking his shins for 15 rounds. Why not? It was a payday.

But with both, neither attempted to claim they were selling me a championship fight.

When it's a title fight, and you're a champion, you got to respect the game. Come in ready to destroy and fight.

Boxing is a means to and end, not an end on to itself. As you said a few posts back, in prize fighting you have to finish the job.

Mayweather in his fights often didn't seem much interested in pushing the matter.

[Coverdale]

I dunno bro, I get thrown in as a May lover and a Pac hater and I'm not guilty of any of the **** you said


Money doesn't have much bull propping him up. It's not a bunch of smoke and mirrors. He really did fight a heap of champions. He really did earn every title in every division his fans claim. He doesn't need fans to refuse to acknowledge his official verdicts.

I don't actually think Floyd's lightyears beyond Pac but when his fans go hard I don't have much to say about it because there isn't much to criticize. Things like "but he didn't fight X in Y month, he waited until Z doe!!!" just seems like whiney little ***** criticisms. Especially since the same posters are going to forgive the colorline fighters' ducking.

Conversely, when Pac's fans get mouthy it's a bunch of **** like he won 8 weight divisions. Ass, lies, deceit, put an astrix on that **** because you know you're reaching.

Pac did not really lose to X, Y, and Z. He were robbed. Bradley, Algeri, Horn , etc. while maintaining the idea it doesn't matter that JMM said he was robbed in their fights so now he's going for the KO to prove it and then proceeded to flatten Pac.



Honestly could not give a **** less about the drugs.




Floyd's win streak is 50

Pac's is like 15 or some sad ass **** like that.

Floyd's 50 fight win streak features 24 champions

Pac's longest win streak being 15 who even gives a **** how that compares to Floyd's 24? There's no contest there.




At the end of the day Pac's level is based on emotion and bull****. Floyd's is because you can't take it away from him. Pac is handed favoritism results for no reason while people bicker over Floyd's timing




Nah, ain't no ****ing shelter here.




That said, i don't actually go around looking to argue about Pac or even dislike him or rate him lowly. I just think his fans are loud, ******, emotional people who are mostly full of **** and suffer from a bad case of head-in-ass.

My main problem with Mayweather is the amount of fights he had in his home city with an American referee. Take that "defensive" style on the road and see if you keep getting those decisions.

[Coverdale]

Inviting TheProudLunatic and BigBobArum to put down the lame online personas and post like respectful adults for a change. It's okay to disagree but please put respect on the name of both of these great champions.

[HisExcellency]

Inviting TheProudLunatic and BigBobArum to put down the lame online personas and post like respectful adults for a change. It's okay to disagree but please put respect on the name of both of these great champions.

Listen BOT...I'm a fan of both fighter's (plus Crawford) but will always rate Pacquiao as the BETTER fighter simply because of his historic achievements:-

1) Pacquiao started his career 22lbs LIGHTER than Floyd at Junior Flyweight
2) Pacquiao conquered more weight classes (8 division champion vs. 5 for Floyd) - only person in history
3) Pacquiao conquered more weight classes for LONGER (4 decade champion vs. 3 for Floyd) - only person in history

Therefore, the fact that he is the much smaller man yet has gone on to conquer significantly more weight classes for longer PROVES that he's the better fighter and a top 10 ATG. In fact, I'd put him in the top 5 just behind the likes of Ali, SRR, Armstrong & Greb.

[Marchegiano]

My main problem with Mayweather is the amount of fights he had in his home city with an American referee. Take that "defensive" style on the road and see if you keep getting those decisions.

It's a fair point!

I often say I don't even see the pre-louis hw champs as legit world champs because they were only fighting Americans with a handful of BE to mix in and exclusively white.


Well played sir, no argument from me! May should have taken his ass on a world tour. Especially if he's going out Berto and McNuggies.

Welcome to the forum bro!

[Marchegiano]

Mayweather was imo fantastic at 130 and below, he also did something really gutsy leaving Arum. But alas, Freud in civilization and its discontent talks about the brothers killing the father to marry the mother and I'll be damned if Floyd did not kill Arum the father to take his place of worship at the feet of Lady prosperity of the gold chain and watch.

While we saw greatness with a chance now to run free, he saw the money that went into others pockets and where it would wind up in his pocket.

This ****in guy! Have a bow bud, you're awesome


I might be inclined to even say Arum's mishandling of his position in boxing and Floyd's very public split/feud and subsequent succession of power plays a some level of a psychological role in Floyd's fandom. I don't mean limited to subconsciously, but yes that included.


Arum, for most of our entire lifetimes at this point, has been the significant boxing promoter in every single era and opposite him, as a rival promoter, is mostly flash in the pan style promotions. King, Warren, Hearn, Duva, even Mayweather. They have their time rivaling Arum but it is Arum who is always there. Good times and bad.

That last bit, even if you never considered it directly, is super telling about Arum. Good times and bad. So Bob Arum absolutely needs some kind of promoter who is much louder and much more capable of putting boxers in front of fans than Arum is for boxing to have big fights. Arum will be apart of it, but he will not do it alone. Ever.

Floyd Mayweather wasn't the first to do this, say this, show this, but he was maybe the loudest. Internet era as it is and all. Then Floyd retires and fails, like a Hearn or Duva, to promote the next big star. Not too dissimilar from Oscar really. Not too dissimilar from King.

Boxing flounders for a bit, Turki needs a soft war project and boxing gets some new promotion entity. Sure, he's plenty different from a rival promoter, he's not a rival, he's more like a boss, but he still highlights, or rather his necessity to get boxing in front of fans highlight Arum's juxtaposition; incapable.


Arum has been party to every single loaded gloves incident and accusation I have ever heard of.

Arum was party to several FBI investigations

So when a boxer comes out, says **** this guy I can do it better alone, and then does it, some folks might not be thinking too much and just dig the vibe.

[QueensburyRules]

- - There is no conflict.

l'l floydy, he cra ck daddy, and Oscar pay a court ordered damage $ettlement along with Public Newspaper Apologies disavowing their former drug accusations.

Then they finally fought with l'l floydy and the Vegas commish publically soiliong themselves with a 2 week backdated TUE and altered scorecard to give l'l floydy and he cra ck daddy the win they so desperately needed...The End Engraved in Stone...yeah!!!

[billeau2]

This ****in guy! Have a bow bud, you're awesome


I might be inclined to even say Arum's mishandling of his position in boxing and Floyd's very public split/feud and subsequent succession of power plays a some level of a psychological role in Floyd's fandom. I don't mean limited to subconsciously, but yes that included.


Arum, for most of our entire lifetimes at this point, has been the significant boxing promoter in every single era and opposite him, as a rival promoter, is mostly flash in the pan style promotions. King, Warren, Hearn, Duva, even Mayweather. They have their time rivaling Arum but it is Arum who is always there. Good times and bad.

That last bit, even if you never considered it directly, is super telling about Arum. Good times and bad. So Bob Arum absolutely needs some kind of promoter who is much louder and much more capable of putting boxers in front of fans than Arum is for boxing to have big fights. Arum will be apart of it, but he will not do it alone. Ever.

Floyd Mayweather wasn't the first to do this, say this, show this, but he was maybe the loudest. Internet era as it is and all. Then Floyd retires and fails, like a Hearn or Duva, to promote the next big star. Not too dissimilar from Oscar really. Not too dissimilar from King.

Boxing flounders for a bit, Turki needs a soft war project and boxing gets some new promotion entity. Sure, he's plenty different from a rival promoter, he's not a rival, he's more like a boss, but he still highlights, or rather his necessity to get boxing in front of fans highlight Arum's juxtaposition; incapable.


Arum has been party to every single loaded gloves incident and accusation I have ever heard of.

Arum was party to several FBI investigations

So when a boxer comes out, says **** this guy I can do it better alone, and then does it, some folks might not be thinking too much and just dig the vibe.

Excellent analysis! Also people do not realize who really "made" Floyd. Floyd had others to pay off aside from Arum... It was Oscar De La Hoya. Floyd benefitted from Oscar's star power and never looked back after that fight. De La Hoya virtually made him a star.

[billeau2]

- - There is no conflict.

l'l floydy, he cra ck daddy, and Oscar pay a court ordered damage $ettlement along with Public Newspaper Apologies disavowing their former drug accusations.

Then they finally fought with l'l floydy and the Vegas commish publically soiliong themselves with a 2 week backdated TUE and altered scorecard to give l'l floydy and he cra ck daddy the win they so desperately needed...The End Engraved in Stone...yeah!!!

Certainly many felt Oscar won. But De la Hoya fades! he was his own worse enemy.

[Coverdale]

The Big Dunn and djtmal need to get in here and try to behave like respectful adults for once as well.