[REAL TALK] Global Warming aka Climate Change is nothing but a TAX SCAM

[Offensive Wizardry]

Its not about saving the environment. its not about pollution. its not about politics. its not about racism or being educated or any of those things. Like most things in america, its about money. Plain and simple. Its nothing but a tax scam for a literal problem of the climate changing. There is no scientific evidence (ACTUAL REAL SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE) that says if we tax americans to the tune of trillions of dollars for simply using gasoline that somehow its gonna "cure" or "solve" the climate from changing one or two degrees.

CLIMATE IS SUPPOSE TO CHANGE.

What is happening on planet earth is the natural weather cycle. Like tornadoes or earthquakes or hurricane storms, monsoons, typhoons. There have been multiple mass extinction events on planet earth, multiple catastrophic weather events like the ice age, all happened before there was a gasoline power machine to pollute the earth.

The Pangea breaking apart was due to extreme climate change:
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The breakup of Pangaea was accompanied by outgassing of large quan****** of from continental rifts. This produced a Mesozoic CO₂ High that contributed to the very warm climate of the . The opening of the also contributed to the warming of the climate. The very active associated with the breakup of Pangaea raised sea levels to the highest in the geological record, flooding much of the continents.

"warming of the climate"
"raised sea levels"

where have i heard those before????


From climate alarmists like alexandra ocasio cortez who claimed that if we dont pass the green new deal the world will end in 12 years:

That was what 3 years ago?
So what did ********s like AOC do when it was time for the green new deal to be voted on in order to "save the world" from ending in 12 years?

to those who dont want to watch the video the voting results are:

52 nays
0 yays

and how did the morally superior "justice" ********s vote?

43 "Present"

Senate ********s Running From the Green New Deal:





So much for saving the world that's gonna end in 12 years. Not a single vote for yay from the ********s. NOT. A. SINGLE. ONE.


DUBIOUS CLIMATE CHANGE "FACTS"

We've all heard them:

"99% of scientists agree that climate change is real"

The truth?

99% of scientists who get funded to say climate change is real agree that climate change is real. There is no list of 100% of all scientists. NONE. That is a talking point being bandied around by propagandists who want to intellectually bully people into their line of thinking. There is no list. There are many different scientists from geologists, climatologists, biologists, meteorologists, botanists, chemists etc... There is no possible way to gather all these scientist and come up with a list that says they all agree. ITS PURE BOGUS CLIMATE PROPAGANDA. FFS, the founder of the weather channel thinks climate change is a hoax:

President Trump has recently come out and said its a hoax. These are not alex jones obscure conspiracy theorists saying this. This is an ex president, the founder of the weather channel saying this....

BUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THESE POWERFUL STORMS THAT ARE HAPPENING NOW!!!!!

Another favorite talking point of climate alarmists. "Look at the storms now, the hurricanes, they are more powerful, last longer!!!" Surely that's the fault of scumbags who drive hummers, navigators, range rovers and other gas guzzling vehicles? Surely we can blame shell right????

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Do you see that red spot on jupiter? Its called the great red spot of Jupiter:

The Great Red Spot is a persistent in the , producing an that is the largest in the . Located 22 south of 's , it produces wind-speeds up to 432 km/h (268 mph). Observations from 1665 to 1713 are believed to be of the same storm; if this is correct, it has existed for at least 357 years. It was next observed in September 1831, with 60 recorded observations between then and 1878, when continuous observations began.



aka Its a super storm that's lasted for 300 plus years.

DAMN YOU EXXON MOBIL!!!!!
DAMN YOU MERCEDES BENZ!!!!!

A quick google search will yield multiple results on other planets in our solar system that have similar super storms and extreme weather events that would make any storm being used by today's climate alarmist look like a nice regular LA weather.

BU BU BU BUT WHAT ABOUT ALL THOSE SCARY TERRIBLE WEATHER PREDICTIONS???

50 Years of Failed Doomsday, Eco-pocalyptic Predictions; the So-called ‘experts’ Are 0-50



That's just one link. a quick google search will yield you more failed climate alarmists predictions:

4 Catastrophic Climate Predictions That Never Came True



Seven Big Failed Environmental Predictions



So what's the solution?

Not taxing an already taxed citizenry trillions of dollars for simply using gasoline so they can earn money to feed their families. Why is it that only western nations that have to do something? What's the point of doing this to western citizens when their nations are already reducing emissions but the nations who have billions of citizens like china and india do nothing? We've seen this political vanity projects already. Its currently happening in france with emmanuel macron's gasoline tax:

"In reality its for the state budget"

I havent followed up on the yellow vest protests and what actually happened but a quick glance in youtube and they are already suspending it. I dont know where it is now but im quite confident that if you ask emmanuel macron to show scientific evidence if his gasoline tax did anything for the environment he wouldnt be able to tell you....

So again, what's the solution?

These are the solutions:

Those are the PROPER SOLUTIONS. THE ACTUAL SOLUTIONS.

Better technology to replace gasoline/fossil fuels. Not taxing western citizens for using gasoline. The national ignition facility is the solution. You want to use my tax dollars for that? GO RIGHT AHEAD. You want to impose the death penalty on scumbag oil companies who pollute mother earth like British Petroleum? Sign me up.

That is the way.

Not listening to a career politician in al gore, or a hollwyood degenerate who reads lines other people wrote for a living like dicaprio, or a fake scientist like bill nyle, or a damn teenage girl being forced to shill by her parents for money like greta thunberg.

So the next time someone asks do you believe in climate change?

You ask, which one? its literal meaning that climate changes? YES.

The tax scam that al gore, leo dicaprio, bill nyle, alexnadra ocasio cortez, and greta thunberg are selling?

HELL TO THE NO.

[Offensive Wizardry]

just think about it,

for covid, a virus with less than 5% fatality rate, which is basically a souped up flu,

the government shut down businesses. shut down travel, picked and choose who can stay open, who can work, social media censored any dissenting opinion on covid from their platforms, how much of westerners civil liberties were taken away for covid????

YET NOT A SINGLE LAW PASSED.

to do all of those things.

but for something that is suppose to end the world in 12 years?

You have to win our hearts and minds and pass legislation????

[Offensive Wizardry]

Citizen Koba
siablo14

come on down.

[Citizen Koba]

Citizen Koba
siablo14

come on down.

What's happening currently is not part of any natural cycle that we know of. I explained this already. We have the mechanism by which global warming happens (the absorbtion of EM radiation by gasses) and we have the evidence of warming from y'know, taking the temperature.

Which 'natural cycle' are you claiming this is part of? There just isn't one ... the current global warming is clearly and directly a result of human activity - industry mainly, with domestic usage and vehicular emissions some way behind along with other contributors like the methane from food animals. The other big issue of course is deforestation - the huge rainforests which used to soak up much of our carbon diaoxide and turn it into oxygen are being raopidly cut down - you want o makle a big change reforestation is a good way to go that won't get all the car lovers upset.

I agree the comments from AOC are flat wrong - possibly she's refering to the fact that various tipping points will be (and have been crossed) which will lead to climate change taking on greater momentum and causing greater problems for our society but in no way shape or form is climate change going to end the world, now or ever - what it will do is cause immense disruption to our present way of life for a prolonged period, decades or likely centuries.

Not sure what relevance the weather events on other planets have to what's going on right now here on Earth - humans don't live on Jupiter - however the increasing temperatureson earth (which basically mean increased energy in the earths climatic system) mean that in coming decades both the frequency and severity of extreme weather events will increase - we're seeing that already.

Once again wuill it be the end of the planet? Hell no - the earths been through many such cycles, although previous ones were obviously due to either natural cycles or extreme events such as volcanic eruptions, asteroid strikes or continental shifts - will it be the end of us? Well, almost certainly not in my estimation - we humans are nothing if not adaptable and we've spread to every corner of the globe - but what it will mean is that the lifestyle we've become accustomed too may be in for some major changes and probably not for the better

The solutions - well that's for you dudes to decide - however this is a global problem, not a US one... if you guys decide not to take maximum measures to reduce emissions then don't expect China or other ntions to either.

And yes absolutely we should be looking for better alteranatives, but in the meantime we're probably as well trying to avoid making things worse... do you understand what the varuious tipping points are - the passing of which will cause global warming to take on greater momentum than we're likely to be able to reduce significantly? The loss of the icecaps (greenland and antartica mainly - the snow and ice reflect a lot of the sunlight back into space - when they melt we start to heat up even faster - it's probably too late to stop it now however. Another one... the melting of the permafrost (in Canada and Russia mainly) releasing billions more tons of methane and CO2... umm... we're probably too late for that one too.


Solutions? Well yes, getting people to drive less and use less polluting cars will help mitigate matters a bit - won't be the game changer though. What we really need - in th absence of some kinda miracle technol;ogy which we certainly can't count on materialising - is to be manufacturing and consuming less of just about everything, food and energy in particular.

Not sure you're getting the nature of the problem here though, this ain't like a light switch you can turn on and off, trying to change the climate is like trying to steer a supertanker 100 miles long weighing a trillion tons... can't just turn the steering whell and expect the think to change direction right away... even if we started now, eliminating all excess burning of fuel and minimised energy consumption to what was essential to keep business running and stores open the temperature is still gonna keep rising for decades as a result of what we'd still be pumping out as well as the emissions already in the atmosphere.


And - once again I can't tell you whether taxation is the answer - that's the standard tactic used by governments everywhere to incentivise the public to modify their behaviour but it ain't clear how effective it is. Even with such things as smoking or drinking the evidence suggests that it was education more than taxation which started changing behaviour and the same may be the case with climate change.

All of which is complicated of course by the fact that there are those actively trying to discredit climate science or minimise the problem - oil companies mainly and of course their shills in governments arounf the globe - particualrly the Anglophone Nations and Russia. You try to argue that if it was serious government would pass laws, but seem to fail to realise many of our politicians lalmost literally had their positons bought with petrodollars. Is what it is.

[Citizen Koba]

So yes.

In brief...

Global warming is real and human activity is causing it rather than some unknown and unspecified 'natural cycle' or other phenomenon

The long term consequences are unclear but are likely to involve very serious disruptions to our global food and trade, mass migrations and likely resource wars

It's already too late to stop major changes but we might be able to mitigate them a bit

Taxation isn't necessarily the best answer but the long term costs of not doing anything at all are likely to be higfher than the costs of doing something now.

We should be pulling together as a species looking for technical solutions, but:also -

We shouldn't rely on a tech fix - it might not happen or not happen soon enough - and even if it does it'd be foolish to continue to make the problem worse

Whilst there are undoubtedly those seeking to profit from oit there are also those who seek to maintain the staus quo who are spreading their own disinformation and propaganda - particularly the oil companies and their allies in Government. They lie and exaggerate too.

[Citizen Koba]

just think about it,

for covid, a virus with less than 5% fatality rate, which is basically a souped up flu,

the government shut down businesses. shut down travel, picked and choose who can stay open, who can work, social media censored any dissenting opinion on covid from their platforms, how much of westerners civil liberties were taken away for covid????

YET NOT A SINGLE LAW PASSED.

to do all of those things.

but for something that is suppose to end the world in 12 years?

You have to win our hearts and minds and pass legislation????

Difference is the repercussions with COVID were gonna be immediate - Governents were expected to do something there and then or else they were the ones gonna get it in the neck - with climate change it's different - the changes are very gradual, year by year decade by decade - forget that bullchit about t'the world gonna end in 12 years' and Government and people don't really do gradual. There's always the next election to think of and if a problem ain't crtitical right now then Government s would far rather leave making unpopular decisons till later - or ideally till the next adminsitration - only later never comes in cases like this.

And yes, people hearts and minds do need to be won for this shit to work - I ain't a believer that taxation is really the answer - though it is what governemnts usually do. Unfortunately we're also combatting misinformation from the oil companies and their paid for politicians and -with due respect - from well meaning but misinformed people like yourself.

But hey.. honestly it ain't gonna change - or not till the **** heits the fan. Too many vested interests and besides everyone stuck in today trying to just make ends meet and put aside something for the future. And this is happening at a national and international level too of course. No country wants to lose it's competitive edge and the leading Nations - particularly the US won't take the lead so none of em will follow.

[Offensive Wizardry]

What's happening currently is not part of any natural cycle that we know of. I explained this already. We have the mechanism by which global warming happens (the absorbtion of EM radiation by gasses) and we have the evidence of warming from y'know, taking the temperature.

Which 'natural cycle' are you claiming this is part of? There just isn't one ... the current global warming is clearly and directly a result of human activity - industry mainly, with domestic usage and vehicular emissions some way behind along with other contributors like the methane from food animals. The other big issue of course is deforestation - the huge rainforests which used to soak up much of our carbon diaoxide and turn it into oxygen are being raopidly cut down - you want o makle a big change reforestation is a good way to go that won't get all the car lovers upset.

I agree the comments from AOC are flat wrong - possibly she's refering to the fact that various tipping points will be (and have been crossed) which will lead to climate change taking on greater momentum and causing greater problems for our society but in no way shape or form is climate change going to end the world, now or ever - what it will do is cause immense disruption to our present way of life for a prolonged period, decades or likely centuries.

Not sure what relevance the weather events on other planets have to what's going on right now here on Earth - humans don't live on Jupiter - however the increasing temperatureson earth (which basically mean increased energy in the earths climatic system) mean that in coming decades both the frequency and severity of extreme weather events will increase - we're seeing that already.

Once again wuill it be the end of the planet? Hell no - the earths been through many such cycles, although previous ones were obviously due to either natural cycles or extreme events such as volcanic eruptions, asteroid strikes or continental shifts - will it be the end of us? Well, almost certainly not in my estimation - we humans are nothing if not adaptable and we've spread to every corner of the globe - but what it will mean is that the lifestyle we've become accustomed too may be in for some major changes and probably not for the better

The solutions - well that's for you dudes to decide - however this is a global problem, not a US one... if you guys decide not to take maximum measures to reduce emissions then don't expect China or other ntions to either.

And yes absolutely we should be looking for better alteranatives, but in the meantime we're probably as well trying to avoid making things worse... do you understand what the varuious tipping points are - the passing of which will cause global warming to take on greater momentum than we're likely to be able to reduce significantly? The loss of the icecaps (greenland and antartica mainly - the snow and ice reflect a lot of the sunlight back into space - when they melt we start to heat up even faster - it's probably too late to stop it now however. Another one... the melting of the permafrost (in Canada and Russia mainly) releasing billions more tons of methane and CO2... umm... we're probably too late for that one too.


Solutions? Well yes, getting people to drive less and use less polluting cars will help mitigate matters a bit - won't be the game changer though. What we really need - in th absence of some kinda miracle technol;ogy which we certainly can't count on materialising - is to be manufacturing and consuming less of just about everything, food and energy in particular.

Not sure you're getting the nature of the problem here though, this ain't like a light switch you can turn on and off, trying to change the climate is like trying to steer a supertanker 100 miles long weighing a trillion tons... can't just turn the steering whell and expect the think to change direction right away... even if we started now, eliminating all excess burning of fuel and minimised energy consumption to what was essential to keep business running and stores open the temperature is still gonna keep rising for decades as a result of what we'd still be pumping out as well as the emissions already in the atmosphere.


And - once again I can't tell you whether taxation is the answer - that's the standard tactic used by governments everywhere to incentivise the public to modify their behaviour but it ain't clear how effective it is. Even with such things as smoking or drinking the evidence suggests that it was education more than taxation which started changing behaviour and the same may be the case with climate change.

All of which is complicated of course by the fact that there are those actively trying to discredit climate science or minimise the problem - oil companies mainly and of course their shills in governments arounf the globe - particualrly the Anglophone Nations and Russia. You try to argue that if it was serious government would pass laws, but seem to fail to realise many of our politicians lalmost literally had their positons bought with petrodollars. Is what it is.

my god there is no tipping point lmaoooo!!!

did you even read the op?

i gave you links to all the failed doom and gloom climate alarmist predictions and you still dont get it!!!!

god damn what is wrong with folks today smh!!!

there is no tipping point. im using other planets in our solar system that are DEVOID OF HUMANS, HUMAN POLLUTION as an example to show that severe weather/storms are a natural part of a planet's natural weather cycle and that climate alarmists use of extreme weather to justify taxing people for using gasoline is a falsehood considering other planets have far more severe weather than us and they have no human pollution!!!! how do you not get that?



as for deforestation, how does taxing gasoline users in america stop deforestation all over the world?



do you even know how planet earth came about?

and no, im not religious, im an atheist.

[War Room]

just think about it,

for covid, a virus with less than 5% fatality rate, which is basically a souped up flu,

Covid is the ## 1 killer in the US (##1 heart disease - ##2 cancer - ##3 covid) and kills 400k in the US per year (who has the best tracking of all countries), Flu kills 44k.

Nowhere close to the flu.

I used to believe Global Warming aka Climate Change was a load of shit. After seeing a lot of the data over the years, I've switched sides. Humans have greatly impacted the Earth, it's not even a real discussion any longer.

The problem now is the numbers are so high drastic measures need to happen. If they would have started implementing 20 years ago, it could have been an easier transition.

What's happening currently is not part of any natural cycle that we know of. I explained this already. We have the mechanism by which global warming happens (the absorbtion of EM radiation by gasses) and we have the evidence of warming from y'know, taking the temperature.

Which 'natural cycle' are you claiming this is part of? There just isn't one ... the current global warming is clearly and directly a result of human activity - industry mainly, with domestic usage and vehicular emissions some way behind along with other contributors like the methane from food animals. The other big issue of course is deforestation - the huge rainforests which used to soak up much of our carbon diaoxide and turn it into oxygen are being raopidly cut down - you want o makle a big change reforestation is a good way to go that won't get all the car lovers upset.

I agree the comments from AOC are flat wrong - possibly she's refering to the fact that various tipping points will be (and have been crossed) which will lead to climate change taking on greater momentum and causing greater problems for our society but in no way shape or form is climate change going to end the world, now or ever - what it will do is cause immense disruption to our present way of life for a prolonged period, decades or likely centuries.

Not sure what relevance the weather events on other planets have to what's going on right now here on Earth - humans don't live on Jupiter - however the increasing temperatureson earth (which basically mean increased energy in the earths climatic system) mean that in coming decades both the frequency and severity of extreme weather events will increase - we're seeing that already.

Once again wuill it be the end of the planet? Hell no - the earths been through many such cycles, although previous ones were obviously due to either natural cycles or extreme events such as volcanic eruptions, asteroid strikes or continental shifts - will it be the end of us? Well, almost certainly not in my estimation - we humans are nothing if not adaptable and we've spread to every corner of the globe - but what it will mean is that the lifestyle we've become accustomed too may be in for some major changes and probably not for the better

The solutions - well that's for you dudes to decide - however this is a global problem, not a US one... if you guys decide not to take maximum measures to reduce emissions then don't expect China or other ntions to either.

And yes absolutely we should be looking for better alteranatives, but in the meantime we're probably as well trying to avoid making things worse... do you understand what the varuious tipping points are - the passing of which will cause global warming to take on greater momentum than we're likely to be able to reduce significantly? The loss of the icecaps (greenland and antartica mainly - the snow and ice reflect a lot of the sunlight back into space - when they melt we start to heat up even faster - it's probably too late to stop it now however. Another one... the melting of the permafrost (in Canada and Russia mainly) releasing billions more tons of methane and CO2... umm... we're probably too late for that one too.

Solutions? Well yes, getting people to drive less and use less polluting cars will help mitigate matters a bit - won't be the game changer though. What we really need - in th absence of some kinda miracle technol;ogy which we certainly can't count on materialising - is to be manufacturing and consuming less of just about everything, food and energy in particular.

Not sure you're getting the nature of the problem here though, this ain't like a light switch you can turn on and off, trying to change the climate is like trying to steer a supertanker 100 miles long weighing a trillion tons... can't just turn the steering whell and expect the think to change direction right away... even if we started now, eliminating all excess burning of fuel and minimised energy consumption to what was essential to keep business running and stores open the temperature is still gonna keep rising for decades as a result of what we'd still be pumping out as well as the emissions already in the atmosphere.

And - once again I can't tell you whether taxation is the answer - that's the standard tactic used by governments everywhere to incentivise the public to modify their behaviour but it ain't clear how effective it is. Even with such things as smoking or drinking the evidence suggests that it was education more than taxation which started changing behaviour and the same may be the case with climate change.

All of which is complicated of course by the fact that there are those actively trying to discredit climate science or minimise the problem - oil companies mainly and of course their shills in governments arounf the globe - particualrly the Anglophone Nations and Russia. You try to argue that if it was serious government would pass laws, but seem to fail to realise many of our politicians lalmost literally had their positons bought with petrodollars. Is what it is.

Good post there.

Although, climate change will eventually end the world.

[Offensive Wizardry]

Covid is the ## 1 killer in the US (##1 heart disease - ##2 cancer - ##3 covid) and kills 400k in the US per year (who has the best tracking of all countries), Flu kills 44k.

Nowhere close to the flu.

I used to believe Global Warming aka Climate Change was a load of shit. After seeing a lot of the data over the years, I've switched sides. Humans have greatly impacted the Earth, it's not even a real discussion any longer.

The problem now is the numbers are so high drastic measures need to happen. If they would have started implementing 20 years ago, it could have been an easier transition.



Good post there.

Although, climate change will eventually end the world.

lol of course its a discussion.

its fake.

no laws have been passed. green new deal was up for vote in the senate and not a single ******** voted for it. the data you are seeing only records a fraction of planet earth's history.

its INCOMPLETE DATA considering the planet is billions of years old.

planet earth works on a cosmic calendar, not a human calendar which is a but a small blip in the cosmic calendar. there's no data that says if you institute trillions of taxes for people (americans and westerners only lol) that it would reduce temperatures one or two degrees.

NONE.

you're another one that needs to learn how planet earth was formed. it formed through catastrophic cosmic events. planet earth will only die once the sun dies out. and that wont happen for millions of years. billions.

not in 12 years or whatever tipping point gibberish you have been sold.

That's basic common sense science.

go get some.

[Citizen Koba]

my god there is no tipping point lmaoooo!!!

did you even read the op?

i gave you links to all the failed doom and gloom climate alarmist predictions and you still dont get it!!!!

god damn what is wrong with folks today smh!!!

there is no tipping point. im using other planets in our solar system that are DEVOID OF HUMANS, HUMAN POLLUTION as an example to show that severe weather/storms are a natural part of a planet's natural weather cycle and that climate alarmists use of extreme weather to justify taxing people for using gasoline is a falsehood considering other planets have far more severe weather than us and they have no human pollution!!!! how do you not get that?



as for deforestation, how does taxing gasoline users in america stop deforestation all over the world?



do you even know how planet earth came about?

and no, im not religious, im an atheist.

Do you even understand what a tipping point is? You don't do you?

And yes I read the OP - it's largely irrelevent bullish that doesn't address the science of the issue at all but tries to use meaningless distractions like storms on Jupiter to confuse the uninformed.

And yes, other planets have storms - in what possible way does that demonstrate that increasing the amount of energy in the Earths atmosphere (which is really all we're talking about) wil not make Earths storms worse? it's like you seem to think you're presenting a logical argument but you actually ain't.

Let's go back to basics - in around the 1850s (give or take) it was experimentally proven that Carbon Dioxide (and other gasses) absorb certain wavelengths of solar radiation and heat up. Now this is a good thing, because without it the Earth would be an uninhabitable ice ball.. but it also follows that the onus is then on you or anyone else who doubts that humans are driving climate change - to come up with a reason why dumping millions of additional tons of Co2 and other gases in the atmosphere wouldn't cause the Earth to heat up. Can you do that?

To draw a parallel what you're doing in effect is like a man coming back home to find his house on fire with a known arsonist in the yard carrying an empty matchbox and stinking of petrol but then speculating that perhaps the fire was the result of a freak lightning strike.

Is it possible there's some as yet unfound expalnation that could explain why less energy is leaving our fragile little bubble of gasses and fluids floating through space than is entering it? Sure. But we'd be bloody ****** to ignore the viable explanation we already got which already explains the observed phenomena and both experimental and real world data.


And you seem to be very hung up on the Tax thing - once more I'm not pushing for heavier taxation - I genuinely don't care how fosil fuel use is reduced and IMO it'd be far better it was done voluntarily, but tax incentives are the blunt tool that Governemnts tend to use and yeah, just as with alcohol and tobacco it ain't necessarily that effective but it sure helps fill the government coffers.

And yes... I do know how the Earth came about, or at least the generally accepted scientific expalnation... there some reason why you're asking the question? Once again this is nothing to do with the suvival of the planet - or indeed of life itself - what we're talking about is the fact that our modern technological way of life with our vast excess of consumption and delicate interconnected logistics networks and vulnerable food supplies might not be sustainable... or at least not at the same population levels.

What we're talking about ain't just a bit of hot weather but potentially huge changes to our growing zones and food producing areas, greater potential for both famine and drought,.. and yes even in the 'developed world'.