Robinson against ATG Middleweights

[The Old LefHook]

Notice it is just a fight, not a legacy award. Cast your vote above for the winning middleweight in the tournament and make your arguments.

A welterweight poll would not be much good. In that division Robinson is almost universally regarded as the greatest champ. He got to middleweights late, but that has to be the version of Robinson facing the prime others here. It would not be fair to imagine him fighting as a prime middleweight when he never did it. He was never a true middleweight for size anyway. Even past his prime he was a junior middleweight, who usually came in at about 157 and a half when super trained. He might have been able to make 154 most of his career if he had never gone higher.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

The robinson version at middleweight was obviously past prime as he couldn't keep the title very long even though he would always win it back..

I think he handles most middleweights but obviously basilio and fullmer could tangle with him..
I suspect that Hagler, jones, toney, Monzon, hopkins, burley, could all beat robinson in a fight hypothetically

[The Old LefHook]

The robinson version at middleweight was obviously past prime as he couldn't keep the title very long even though he would always win it back..

I think he handles most middleweights but obviously basilio and fullmer could tangle with him..
I suspect that Hagler, jones, toney, Monzon, hopkins, burley, could all beat robinson in a fight hypothetically

Are you saying they could or would?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Are you saying they could or would?

They could.... Every fighter on your list with the exception of ggg and maybe ketchel, has a legit chance of beating robinson, conversely Ray would also have a chance of winning.. But I think guys mentioned have the skills and talent to beat Ray..

We will never know for sure, but I have few doubts that other ATGs at mw could beat Ray... If fullmer and basilio did it, then of course hagler, monzon, etc would be able to have a chance

[The Old LefHook]

They could.... Every fighter on your list with the exception of ggg and maybe ketchel, has a legit chance of beating robinson, conversely Ray would also have a chance of winning.. But I think guys mentioned have the skills and talent to beat Ray..

We will never know for sure, but I have few doubts that other ATGs at mw could beat Ray... If fullmer and basilio did it, then of course hagler, monzon, etc would be able to have a chance

For devi'ls sake, man, we are not looking at the version of Robinson that fought Fullmer and Basilio, when a version six years younger is available. Why would we use anything but the 1951 version that beat LaMotta? Forget about 1957.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

For devi'ls sake, man, we are not looking at the version of Robinson that fought Fullmer and Basilio, when a version six years younger is available. Why would we use anything but the 1951 version that beat LaMotta. Forget about 1957.

Ok, if you want to pinpoint it to 1951 robinson, I still think guys like 1973 monzon or hagler 80 could beat Ray robinson.. They are basically 50/50 fights. I don't think it's reasonable to assume that 1951 Ray robinson goes unbeaten vs other atg middleweights

[The Old LefHook]

Ok, if you want to pinpoint it to 1951 robinson, I still think guys like 1973 monzon or hagler 80 could beat Ray robinson.. They are basically 50/50 fights. I don't think it's reasonable to assume that 1951 Ray robinson goes unbeaten vs other atg middleweights

That's fine, then stop *****footing around with he might do this he might do that. We already know who might win. Who wins and why? Is that too complex?

[Sugar Adam Ali]

That's fine, then stop *****footing around with he might do this he might do that. We already know who might win. Who wins and why? Is that too complex?

I can see both monzon and hagler being able to control the fight with the jab, and I think they can outwork him and out hustle Ray to a decision...

I don't see any knockouts..

Roy jones would just be too big, too quick, too powerful.. Probably the one guy that has the capabilities to win a wide decision over Ray...

Toney would be a war, but Ray alittle more consistent round to round, so I think Ray edges a competitive decision..

Ketchel- I think Ray beats him on points

Ggg- Ray probably stops him with a huge counter hook in the mid rounds

Mickey walker- close split decision either way, I favor Ray..but walker could cause some problems, I just think Ray is more technically skilled in a more variety of departments and would be able to take a razor thin decision

Hopkins- Ray probably is too skilled for hopkins, who never did well with top technical fighters like roy, taylor, dawson, calzaghe.. Guys that can jab and move and dictate pace cause hopkins all sorts of problems. I think Ray can exploit that and win a snoozer over hopkins.. I don't think this would be exciting at all..

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Greb and langford are hard for me to tell..


If I had to pick..

Greb would outmuscle Ray in a rough inside fight and win a decision or stoppage in cuts..

I think Ray could outpoint langford

[The Old LefHook]

Greb and langford are hard for me to tell..


If I had to pick..

Greb would outmuscle Ray in a rough inside fight and win a decision or stoppage in cuts..

I think Ray could outpoint langford

Good. In a hundred matches with each mythical opponent, no one would be 100 for 100. Many of the series would be pretty close. I see Robby beating current version of Golovkin maybe 95 out of 100 times. Imagine these fights as running on a computer whose day job is as God, so it knows everything and is accurate. The fighters recover after the fight with no adverse effects. What this does is allow the fighters to display their whole range of faults and talents. Though they are not permanently injured, God lets them learn from each experience. Each fight takes place in about a millionth of a second, which is enough time for God to give them some time for poontang as well.

You don't have to feel responsigble shug, let God be the culprit here. In other words, how do you see God seeing these 100 matches?

I don't feel like making a determination on one match either, since it is not as informative. Let's make it a series.