Is it a lock no matter how good you are.. Someone will have your #?

[Mintcar923]

It seems like certain fighters have had others numbers. Even if they are equal or even lesser in talent..

Examples..

Barkely over Hearns..
Forrest over Mosley..
Foreman over Frazier..
Leonard over Duran..

Countless others...
Agree??

[IronDanHamza]

Leonard had Duran's number?

[Mintcar923]

Leonard had Duran's number?

When he decided to box him, yes...

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Holyfield over Tyson
Mayorga over Forrest
Charles over Moore
Pavlik over Taylor
Wright over Mosley

[Scott9945]

Despite the series record Norton/Ali and Marquez/Pacquiao would be good examples.

[TBear]

Is this about "sooner or later you will fight that style" as in styles make fights.

or is it about "Sooner or later everyone loses"

Because from the examples I see a bit of both.

[NChristo]

Leonard didn't have Duran's number, you can't just say 'when he decided to box him' because that wasn't Leonard's usual style, when Duran turned up in great shape he clearly won against Leonard, when Duran wasn't in such good shape and Leonard changed to boxing and clowning around Duran still gave him a decent fight before quitting, I don't see how he had his number to be honest, unless you're countng the 3rd fight as some kind of legit win ?. Both of them in great shape and fighting as usual - Duran won clearly - Leonard has his number, what ?.

[NChristo]

I do believe in styles makes fights though, just Duran - Leonard was kinda a poor choice, there will always be someone out there that has the correct tools and know how to deal with a style no matter how difficult.

[Mintcar923]

Leonard didn't have Duran's number, you can't just say 'when he decided to box him' because that wasn't Leonard's usual style, when Duran turned up in great shape he clearly won against Leonard, when Duran wasn't in such good shape and Leonard changed to boxing and clowning around Duran still gave him a decent fight before quitting, I don't see how he had his number to be honest, unless you're countng the 3rd fight as some kind of legit win ?. Both of them in great shape and fighting as usual - Duran won clearly - Leonard has his number, what ?.

Boxing wasn't Leonard's style? Are you kidding me?! He boxed his way to victory against Hagler. He mixed up both boxing and fighting against Hearns. Everyone who knows about classic boxing knows Leonard was co-ersed into a macho brawl with Duran the first time. As far as the third fight, Duran was having a good year as he had stunningly defeated Iran Barkely in his previous fight. Had Duran won fight III would you consider it a legit win?

[StarshipTrooper]

Boxing wasn't Leonard's style? Are you kidding me?! He boxed his way to victory against Hagler. He mixed up both boxing and fighting against Hearns. Everyone who knows about classic boxing knows Leonard was co-ersed into a macho brawl with Duran the first time. As far as the third fight, Duran was having a good year as he had stunningly defeated Iran Barkely in his previous fight. Had Duran won fight III would you consider it a legit win?

You need to watch Ray Leonard's pre-first retirement fights. He was a classic boxer-puncher (ie how he fought Duran the first time) not a slick boxer. The second Duran fight was very much an aberration. It was Howard Cosell that started that myth about Leonard being "coerced" into fighting differently.

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